[Dkumpikolo]

why would they?

It's already a fully integrated end-to-end communication device.

They don't know how to operate it, they don't care about millions of people complaining about shitty network, they don't have to handle internationalization and they would position themselves against whoever carrier is before/after at&t, Verizon and T-Mobile.

They make huge margins by making hardware. This type of margin is not happening at carriers.

And no just because companies like Verizon do have daughters in other countries they are not global. So apple would also need to expand to all countries.

I only see a lot of downsides and not a single upside.

[solardev]

PS it looks to me like all of your comments are being auto-marked as "dead" and won't show up to most readers. Not sure why; they seem totally reasonable to me.

Might wanna reach out to [e-mail] and ask.

(Welcome to HN btw)

[cosmicgadget]

Uh, doesn't it need a network to be an end-to-end communications device? Except for physical proximity of course.

[Dkumpikolo]

If you wanna define it like this then apple would need to be your home ISP too.

And owning all the fiber connections between the base stations and their network.

And all connections from home to their network.

And even if they have that, you are not browsing Verizon services but from others like Google etc.

They don't do that.

Closest operator I know could be German Telekom because they came out from the state owned Telekom company and they got all the copper which was laying around.

[cosmicgadget]

I am not sure how else to define "fully integrated end-to-end".

[Dkumpikolo]

Http, https, etc. the protocols responsible for the end to end communication

[cosmicgadget]

Protocols and nodes are not the same.