I have no idea how this tracks to births, but I did some studies before of Nordic homicide rate, and if you drop an actual Nordic citizen in similarly white homogenous states like new hampshire their murder rate isn't terribly worse than it is in a Nordic nation.
My hypothesis is there may be something like this effect happening, where once you control for nordic people in similarly white states I bet they'd have much closer to nordic birth risk.
Ham-fisting statistics to support some model of eugenics and racially perfect societies is an old tale.
We need to be very careful with statistics, because rarely does one or even a dozen cover the whole picture. For example, in the US we can see that black individuals are more likely to commit crime. We could easily run with that and draw some unfavorable conclusions.
But, they're also much more likely to be impoverished, more likely to live in communities with low infrastructure funding, more likely to live in communities with drugs, more likely to have much poorer access to education, and more likely to face barriers to employment.
OK but blacks in Seychelles (adjusting for purchasing parity, about the richest black nation in existence to the point they're not far from the black american GDP per capita) have a gini coefficient far better than the US (in fact almost same as Sweden) but still have a pretty similar infant mortality to blacks in the US. So I don't know about the thesis they just need to be made more equal to the rest of USA or something.
Definitely not interested in accepting eugenics either, just maybe we should acknowledge and be OK with the fact some demographics are just different and we shouldn't be forcing them to be like the nordics.
I don't think it's a matter of demographics being different, I think it's a matter of us wanting to believe some demographics are inferior because that makes us feel better. I mean, we're not describing positive, but different, traits, now are we?
In regards to Seychelles - are we looking at levels of education? Are we looking at income inequality? Are we looking at corruption? Are we even considered how developed the nation is? How long have they been developing? Have we taken a gander at any population pyramids?
Again, it feels like we're hamfisting these things to draw conclusions that we want to draw. I don't think just having white people fixes things, we need to look at what those white people are doing that actually works. Even money doesn't necessarily fix things, if you're already underdeveloped or you have high corruption.
I have a thesis that could be wrong. I have some very weak data. What you have is that would be an inconvenient hypothesis.
It is quite an inconvenient hypothesis. Unfortunately I have some weak data that leads the question to persist and no strong evidence against it. I see no reason why it can be dismissed.
Sure, take a look at Bahamas or Seychelles, "rich" black countries almost as high GDP per capita as some of the nordic nations (PPP adjusted in Seychelles case). Still with infant mortality in the relative shitter.
Or compare hispanic to blacks at similar income in USA, they knock them out the park on infant mortality.
> Sure, take a look at Bahamas or Seychelles, "rich" black countries almost as high GDP per capita as some of the nordic nations. Still with infant mortality in the relative shitter.
The Seychelles Gini coefficient is higher than Sweden. There doesn’t seem to be data on the Bahamas.
The Nordics is where American conservatives and liberals find unity on harmonious white homogenity.
> My hypothesis is there may be something like this effect happening, where once you control for nordic people in similarly white states I bet they'd have much closer to nordic birth risk.
Historically (at least up until the late 90s) Japan, France and maybe others had a much different point of death included as death at birth that skewed infant mortality numbers. I'd like to see more than a bullet point 3 to understand how/when that was changed.
The U.S. has beginning to end health care for pregnancy and child birth. Its infant mortality rate (5.4) isn’t really much higher than Canada (4.7), which has a socialized healthcare system.
Which seems kind of okay, except when you consider that we pay significantly more per-capita for healthcare as opposed to Canada. Yes, that includes if you take into account taxes, and it's not even close.
Sure, we're not the absolute worst, but we are the most expensive. And, for that, we get close to the worst results. Clearly, our healthcare system is broken in a variety of complex ways.
As far as I can tell, we pay more for healthcare for the same reason we pay more for schools and more for subways. We’re a low competence, low trust society, and have to compensate for it by making everything subject to litigation to the point where the country is effectively run by lawyers.
My six year old boy ran into a table and got a black eye. Took him to the doctor (because my wife made me), who physically examined him and saw he was fine. But ordered a CT scan anyway (which we got the same morning because this is America). No sane healthcare system would order a CT scan for this! But in our litigation-driven system, the doctor has to do it, because in the extremely unlikely situation that there was an undetected internal bleed, he’d get sued. And some expert would get on the stand and say the standard of care is to order a CT scan every time a six year old boy does a six year old boy thing.
I don't think this is the sole reason why, I think private sector inefficiency is a big reason why, too.
We have an extremely fragmented system that breeds inefficiency. Thousands of insurers, so hospitals have hundreds of billing specialists. Thousands of plans, so the complexity of what is and isn't covered explodes beyond belief. There's no streamlining, no centralization, no authority. Just bickering and "erm, ackshually" from every party. Every interaction has extremely high friction that comes with a massive, fragmented system.
It's like a microservice architecture with thousands and thousands of microservices. Except their contracts aren't always published, sometimes you need to call them on the telephone. And sometimes you just have to try requests and see if they get denied.
Also, I think a CT for head injury is fairly standard practice. I think they do that in Europe. Anyway I had some pain somewhere inconspicuous once and it was cancer, so. I don't think the issue is we image too much.
Interesting in the sense that the Nordics have a vastly different healthcare system than Japan.