[dotancohen]

The definition of learning has not changed. One of our first written records is a man complaining that this newfangled writing thing will make the students lazy, they will no longer have to remember their studies.

Education will adapt.

[palmotea]

> One of our first written records is a man complaining that this newfangled writing thing will make the students lazy, they will no longer have to remember their studies.

And if your summary is correct, he was right. If you don't remember what you've learned (i.e. integrate it into your mind), you haven't learned anything. You're just, say, a book operator.

[HPsquared]

The solution has been around a very long time: closed-book tests (verbal or written). Works against LLMs too!

[pixl97]

"""Solution"""

The particular problem here is the number of staff needed to actually administer and grade these kinds of tests. We're already talking about how expensive education is, just wait till this happens.

[dotancohen]

Exactly my point. It sometimes takes time for education to adapt to new tools. Writing, calculators, search engines, etc. I was in the last semester to learn mechanical drawing, the next semester learned CAD. Education adapts.

[bazoom42]

What record is that? Just out of curiosity.

[empath75]

https://fs.blog/an-old-argument-against-writing/

[gm678]

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato-rhetoric/#Pha

[bazoom42]

It is a stretch to call Plato “One of our first written records”