[abletonlive]

> If the "meta" changes so quickly, then that sets an upper bound as to how far behind you are, no?

No, the top players when the meta changes in competitive games remain the top players. They also figure out the new meta faster than the casual players.

[kweingar]

This is why devs who started with J2ME are the holy grail of app developers, since they started making apps years before iPhone devs

[abletonlive]

you sound mad you could be spending this time upskilling instead.

but i'll say it again, when the meta changes the people that were at the top will quickly find themselves at the top again.

listen, the reason why they were in the top in the first place and you aren't is a mindset thing. the top are the curious that are experimenting and refining, sharing with each other techniques developed over time.

the complacent just sit around and lets the world happen to them. they, like you are expressing now, think that when the meta switches the bottom will suddenly find themselves at the top and the top will have nothing.

look around you, that's obviously not how the world works.

but yes, laughing

[kweingar]

(I deleted a less productive comment.)

I do use these tools though! I spent some time with AI. I have coworkers who are more heads-down working on their projects and not tinkering with agents, and they're doing fine. I have coworkers who are on the absolute bleeding edge of AI tools, and they're doing fine. When the tooling matures and the churn lessens and the temperature of the discourse is lowered, I'm confident that we will all be doing great things. I just think that the "anybody not using and optimizing Codex or Claude Code today is not gonna make it" attitude is misguided. I could probably wring out some more utility from these tools if I spent more time with them, but I'd rather spend most of my professional development time working on subject matter expertise. I want to deeply understand my domain, and I trust that AI use will (mostly) become relatively easier to pick up and less of a differentiator as time goes on

[ukuina]

> when the meta changes the people that were at the top will quickly find themselves at the top again.

I think parent is agreeing with you?

> This is why devs who started with J2ME are the holy grail of app developers, since they started making apps years before iPhone devs

[kweingar]

I was being sarcastic there, a bad habit of mine. There are some advantages to being an early adopter (you get to reap some of the benefits now), but it doesn't give you a permanent advantage, and the people who aren't closely following and adopting weeks-old tools aren't doomed to irrelevance.

The iPhone was an equalizer. Existing mobile devs did get a genuine head start on mobile app design, but their advantage was fleeting.