[chamomeal]

Yep lots of modern (even IDE-like) flavors of emacs like that. Doom emacs (which includes vi key bindings and modes), spacemacs, etc.

I’ll also say for “commonly understood terms”: discoverability in emacs is amazing. You have dedicated commands just for checking what other commands do, searching docs, finding keybinds for existing commands or vice versa. It’s SO sick!!

Vscode is great too, for very different reasons

[eviks]

Ok, you've quickly discovered that "window" is called a "frame". How does that help you avoid the issue of emacs not using the commonly understood term for a window? And flavors is masking the bad defaults, not a proof that somehow emacs reinvented itself (it didn't, it didn't change the bad defaults, harming all the new users physically or at the very least wasting their time that they search for a flavor)

[christophilus]

You know, you can just not use emacs if it makes you angry.

[throwanem]

I think I probably sounded much the same in 2009 or so. My first couple of attempts went badly. When I finally gave the tool a shot on its own terms a year later, it clicked so well I haven't felt the urge for 15 years to look for something new.

[iLemming]

This irrational anger toward a free tool that no one forces you to use (I can't imagine any team mandating Emacs), and which is neither rigid nor limited in extensibility, suggests something deeper at play. Perhaps it reflects an internal struggle or penitence over one's inability to grasp it?

Comprehending Emacs is a challenging journey that demands time, patience, and dedication. Yet why would anyone despise Emacs after spending time with it? It's like hating the mere existence of motorcycles after failing to learn how to ride one.

[throwanem]

Pirsig is a treasure.