[scuderiaseb]

So putting this aside, the elephant in the room is still the weight of the EVs, tire wear is one thing but the roads are also being worn at a much faster rate due to the weight of the cars. When EVs do have to brake and regenerative is not enough it needs to stop more inertia due to this high weight.

[JumpCrisscross]

> the elephant in the room is still the weight of the EVs

The elephant in the room for road wear are trucks [1]. Cars are almost negligible.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

[bryanlarsen]

A Tesla 3 is 5% heavier than a BMW 3. First generation ICE conversions were heavy. Cars properly designed from the ground up for EV aren't as much.

[scuderiaseb]

Yeah but they should get lighter ideally and not heavier because the BMW 3 ICE has also gotten unreasonably heavy.

I'm a huge proponent of biking and electric bikes but there is too bad infrastructure, storage, safety concerns etc that are not being addressed properly. For instance I wish I could buy a Cargo bike and use that for grocery shopping and most other transportation of my kids but I don't have room in our bike storage (where I've had two bikes stolen) and I don't have room in our storage room and live in an apartment. The cars parking take up more square meters than the squaremeters of the building or close to it while the bike storage is a fraction of that.

[tpm]

> the roads are also being worn at a much faster rate due to the weight of the cars.

Are they actually being worn out at a much faster rate because of more EVs? Do we have any data?

[llampx]

It is amazing how much concern trolling there is about EVs on a site like this.

[tpm]

One has to wonder who creates a fresh account just to troll against EVs. Fossil bots perhaps.

[scuderiaseb]

I'm not a bot but I regret posting that as my first comment and to be honest I didn't read the article before it was just my thoughts from prior knowledge. I've been on Hacker News for many years but decided a week ago to make an account.

Still you have a good point, one should be skeptical of what is written by bots.

[tpm]

Right. So as the other poster mentioned the elephant in the room regarding road damage are trucks. And as a fellow biker I'm completely with you on infrastructure, but still see EVs as a massive improvement on ICEs.

[yencabulator]

What's even worse is we're seeing some relatively-new accounts basically commenting LLM summaries of the article; it definitely looks like a way to "fake age" accounts.

[llampx]

Can't rule out automated manipulation and bots on any social media site these days.

[tstrimple]

Same thing happens with renewables. Every single article either positive or negative about solar or wind you'll inevitably see the "But the sun doesn't always shine! Nuclear is the only possible solution!" style comments.

[s1artibartfast]

It's a pretty natural response to highlight concerns if something is being shoved down your throat.

[pjc50]

> shoved down your throat

This nearly always means "mentioned" rather than any kind of coercion. The ICE phaseout is still something like a decade away at the most optimistic in Europe and much, much further away in the US.

[s1artibartfast]

Depends on the gripe. My state has the largest housing crisis in the nation, but also requires all new homes to have rooftop solar - forcing implementation of the least economic scale and the the least economic installation type. I certainly empathize with people we feel compelled to point out that solar energy policy isn't all sunshine and roses.