[ndsipa_pomu]

That was in a specifically protected area covered by a PSPO that explicitly banned prayer. He then refused to move on, so this was a deliberate protest against abortion.

> On the day, he was asked to leave the area by a community officer who spoke to him for an hour and 40 minutes - but he refused.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9kp7r00vo

[cobbzilla]

Got it, standing and thinking could be a criminal offense, depending on what you are thinking. Understood.

[ndsipa_pomu]

I don't think you've got a clear understanding of how PSPO orders work. Do you really think that standing and thinking would be a criminal offense? Maybe if you stood somewhere awkward (e.g. blocking the doors to an A&E department) and refused to move when asked, then I can understand it, but I think you're being disingenuous.

[cobbzilla]

In the linked article, the criminal was not alleged to have obstructed anything. He did message the town council saying he was holding a silent vigil, which he had done before apparently without incident. This time he was arrested, PSPO was applied, and he was fined £9000.

If his message to the council said he’d be standing there reading the newspaper, would the arrest and conviction have been made?

[ndsipa_pomu]

What are you on about?

The PSPO specifically prohibited activity in favour or against abortion services, including protests, harassment and vigils. He was blatantly holding a vigil and even then, I expect he could have just moved on when asked and faced no charges. Reading a newspaper would be fine, obviously, unless he specifically concocted his own newspaper with slogans on it which would then surely be a protest of some kind.

[cobbzilla]

What if it was a regular newspaper, but secretly he was praying and not actually reading the paper. Is he a criminal?

[ndsipa_pomu]

The whole point of the PSPO is to protect the people who are considering using abortion services. If someone is "secretly" doing something, then it's not likely to be harassing others and so wouldn't be illegal under the terms of PSPO.

It's not a difficult concept to understand and nothing to do with trying to police people's thought, but merely stopping the harassment that would otherwise take place. This particular incident would not have happened if the individual was praying somewhere else or not making a particular point about praying exactly where it would harass people using the clinic.

It's fine to have religious beliefs, but it's not fine to go around imposing those beliefs on others - that's how a lot of wars get started.