[anonzzzies]

> outsourcing for software fizzled out

Any data on that? I see everyone trying to outsource as much as they can. Sure, now it is moving toward AI, but every company I walk into have 10-1000s of FTEs in outsource countries.

I see most fortune 1000 companies here doing some type of agile/planningexecution which is in fact more waterfall. The people here in the west are more management and client facing, the rest is 'thrown over the fence'.

[decimalenough]

If they're FTEs, that's not outsourcing, it's moving your employees to a cheaper location.

Outsourcing means laying off your FTEs and shoving the entire project over to a WITCH consulting shop.

[anonzzzies]

FTE for lack of a better word: they are not employees of the company, they are full-time working for the company; they are employed by some outsourcing place. FTE I guess means employee of the western country and that they are not, but what would be the term? Full time remote worker?

[mrheosuper]

Maybe you mean "contractor" ?

[alternatex]

A lot of those deals between western companies and companies in developing countries are not fixed-time contracts but ongoing collaborations.

[anonzzzies]

And that is not outsourcing? Definitely called that here...

[ccppurcell]

The point being made here is that the biggest software companies still employ lots of programmers but the biggest manufacturing companies don't employ lots of factory workers. I don't think you need data just think about Microsoft vs General Motors etc etc

[anonzzzies]

Sure, but my claim is that these things are still outsourced en masse and nothing fizzled out from that perspective.

[b800h]

It did fizzle out the first time round. It won't on this occasion.