[theospeak]

This was the dream. How it was supposed to be. Speak and it becomes. But developers found a way to gatekeep the whole process by inventing thousands of different languages/wheels over time.

And they held the keys. Now that they are steadily working most of themselves out of a job, they are still stuck with their hubris-tainted glasses, unable to move on.

6 months ago I had no idea how Github works. Now I have thousands of commits and I have learnt to git reset --hard as second nature now :-) Hell, yesterday I figured out by chance, how to only revert a particular file. So yeah, baby steps.

I am "building" every day, talking to my AI Coder friend. We are having a lot of fun. I don't go full Agent Mode. I am always on Ask Mode. (Because - hard lessons - you know)

I am learning about Lighthouse (97% aggregate for my Next.js app)

Yesterday I made my site an "App", because someone asked if "there's an app for that"

Now I know about PWA and all it's requirements. Cool.

The point is. I am having fun building stuff. And that would not have been possible for me a year ago.

Ask yourself. If you as a coding genius had to develop a program without any internet access, how far would you get?

So stop crying that the bar has been lowered. Raise the bar. Be the guy that can outsmart the AI when it tries to take over the world. There will be few of you needed, but the need will be critical. We will always need a few Myron Aubs. Just not millions of them.

Happy building (Even if you are not "coding")

[AtlasBarfed]

This is the same conceit for rapid application development and just do the prototype in production.

It just has a lot more legs to it with llms.

I'm glad you're having fun.

But the world doesn't run on prototype code. Maybe llms will help being the quality of code in the last 20 years collectively up a notch.

In other words, it would be great if llms took all that "just good enough code" we wrote in the last 2 to 3 decades and made it actually good code.

I strongly suspect this is not going to be the case. Instead, the world will be absolutely tsunamied by an avalanche of not even quite good enough code

[theospeak]

A fair and measured response. Thank you.

[defrost]

> If you as a coding genius had to develop a program without any internet access, how far would you get?

As an engineering student transferred to applied math in the early 1980s I was able (with no real substantial internet access, literally getting floppy discs by mail, etc) to write an OS, an original commercial event tracking system for fleet management of mining vehicles, a real time marine seismic capture, storage, view and analysis system (basic PC, real time OS (that a friend wrote), Window Manager, dedicated hardware, lots of assembler, signal processing, etc).

And a whole lot more. (Bit of work on a sheep shearing robot, lot of early GIS mapping routines)

(Oh, some interesting stuff for CAYLEY/MAGMA that has recently been used to break quantuum encryption candidates .. odd just how long some fundementals last)

It seemed normal at the time to be able to do this, both a circle of friends and myself had a ball building stuff - much of it based on books, talking in person to others, and just diving in and playing about.

It's perhaps easier to get by without AI and real time always connected internet than you seem to think.

[theospeak]

Is that you, Myron?

[defrost]

Just someone in the void between Jerome Gauntlett, Charles Leedham-Green, Len Beadell, George Havas, Graham Priest, William Tutte, Jack Wong Sue, and a pantheon of others ...

[Tainnor]

> But developers found a way to gatekeep the whole process by inventing thousands of different languages/wheels over time.

Yep, definitely would have been better if developers hadn't invented higher level languages and LLMs would be forced to output assembly.

[theospeak]

We can agree I think, that there are languages that are replicating almost exactly what others have done before, coming off as more of a vanity project, than anything else, while some are truly revolutionary/evolutionary?

[Tainnor]

No, I do not agree. Which languages are vanity projects in your eyes?

[terminatornet]

I'm sure you could have learned how to use git and github before AI existed.

[theospeak]

AI Coding motivated me. Maybe that's the point.

[terminatornet]

Most of your post seemed to be about how developers were gatekeeping learning, which isn't true.