[ltbarcly3]

The kind of person with the background to need these operations, and who is working on the kinds of problems where this stuff comes up, is more than capable of learning numpys syntax. Its not that bad.

Avoiding the special purpose tools designed by and used by the people who work on these problems every day is the instinct of someone who has just started needing them and wants to solve new kinds of problems with the tools they already know. But the people with experience don't do it that way (for a reason), you need to learn what the current best solution is before you can transcend it.

Guys, every few months some well meaning person posts their great new library here that "fixes" something to remove all that pesky complexity. Invariably its made by some beginner with whatever it is who doesn't understand why the complexity exists, and we never hear of them or the library again. This is absolutely one of those times.

[lblume]

I agree that this may sometimes be the case, but in this case the author does seem to have very strong points in favor of the proposal. I also think that the accusation of dynomight not understanding NumPy enough is unjustified based on the points given.

[Tarq0n]

This is how terrible API's are kept in use, wasting professional's time and making the field way less accessible for newcomers.

Compare ggplot to matplotlib. They both serve the same purpose but one has an API you can actually reason about and use without needing to consult the documentation every five minutes.

[ltbarcly3]

matplotlib is just matlab. its a free matlab implementation. if you don't know matlab then absolutely don't use matplotlib, its a terrible library except that one thing. This is what I'm talking about though, you are complaining about something without knowing why it is the way it is.