[blueflow]

The link your parent posted is current. The Entgelttabelle there was last updated in 2022.

Also the PDF's (Tarifvertrag, Entgelttabelle) linked there are the authoritative source for this information - they are the legal document defining it.

[ChemSpider]

We have 2025, not 2022. So it is certainly not current. Inflation is a thing! ;-)

My data (see above) is from the same source ("Tarifvertrag"), but from 2024.

I am really surprised that PhD/PostDocs earning more (or at least same) in EU than the US is controversial. I tought everyone knows that.

[constantcrying]

>We have 2025, not 2022. So it is certainly not current. Inflation is a thing! ;-)

Do you not understand that the document I linked is the up to date contract? If you think what I linked is getting "inflation adjusted" you are totally clueless about how you get paid under a Tarifvertrag in Germany.

The document contains the exact amount of the employee is going to get paid next month.

[ChemSpider]

You are good with insulting, but weak on math.

Even with your 2022 data/source, I get a salary that is >=Harvard.

And if you look at the latest 2025 salaries the difference is even more striking and in favor of Germany:

https://www.jobs-beim-staat.de/tarif/tvoed-bund_e13

But according to you, how much does a German Postdoc earn per year, in US$?

[constantcrying]

First year 50,260.56 Euros at TV13 at the Humboldt University Berlin compared to Harvard's MINIMUM salary of $67,600. See https://postdoc.fas.harvard.edu/salarystipend-level

Given that taxes are much, much higher in Germany the difference is quite drastic.

Again I am NOT using a source for 2022, it is the exact contract in force for May 2025.

[ChemSpider]

"it is the exact contract in force for May 2025." - No, it is not. That is your mistaken thinking.

In 2025, TV-L 13 starts with 4629€ a month and goes up to 6580€ (= 78K€+), depending on experience.

Indded, the raw tax difference is substantial. But the social benefits, health insurance, vacation days,... need to be considered for a complete comparison. But that was never the topic of discussion.

[constantcrying]

I demonstrated to you that the starting salary differs by 18k, at 1:1 exchange rate. I did this with up to date information that is valid RIGHT NOW.

>In 2025, TV-L 13 starts with 4629€ a month and goes up to 6580€ (= 78K€+), depending on experience

Wrong. You do not understand how TVs work. Look at the linked table it as the exact salary the employees get paid at the end of this month.

>depending on experience.

Wrong. Experience is totally irrelevant. It is years in that position.

[seec]

You are completely delusional. As you have been told, even when evaluating favorably the EU job, the difference will be so substantial that it's hardly comparable.

You may think there are many advantages of the social system, but the thing is with the US you get to choose exactly how the surplus will be spent. If you want coverage similar to EU you can, it will cost you lots of money but you will still come out on top.

And that is before even considering that purchasing power/quality of life is better in the US at a given salary level.

[blueflow]

The controversy is your egregious dismissal of a legal source that you have now edited out of your post.

[ChemSpider]

So you are saying the average German Postdoc salary is NOT >= Harvard salary?

What numbers do you have in mind?

[blueflow]

Unfounded provocation. Get lost, troll.