[okayishdefaults]

Is it at this point? When used earnestly, it's regulated, traceable, and slower than other methods of transacting money. History can and has been rewritten, but not when someone is scammed.

Seems like bad currency, but maybe you're aware of something meaningful that crypto contributes.

[BoorishBears]

I mean we're in the comment section of a provider removing models primarily used to make non-consensual porn of celebrities (https://arxiv.org/html/2407.12876v1), then talking about how crypto is the answer.

Visa and co are a cartel, a lot of the pressure Civitai is facing is unreasonable, but even a broken clock is right twice a day: and they had a lot of problematic content.

Even if they turn to crypto, this is a change they shouldn't walk back, or other providers are probably going to turn on them too.

[pseudo0]

This paper is trash. They preemptively define any models they don't like as "abusive models". This includes any model that can generate real people (including for transformative, fair use purposes like parody) and separately any NSFW model, including stuff like cartoons.

Also they are using a ridiculous definition of "NSFW" to achieve the correlation they want to find. They are putting the prompt (not the image) into ChatGPT and applying an arbitrary metric of NSFW-ness sentiment analysis that returns false positives. Actually NSFW content of real people was always banned on CivitAI.

[BoorishBears]

I'm not sure how anyone's really going act like the vast majority of the deepfakes generated with celebrity LORAs isn't porn when the term itself has become synonymous with non-consensual porn.

And it was just in April (less than a month ago) that they stepped up moderation of celebrity NSFW content: the study is from June of 2024.

The study was an attempt to avoid someone immediately trying to argue about a really obvious truth, but some people will still try to argue about the study about the really obvious truth.

[pseudo0]

I have been using CivitAI practically since it was created. Real person NSFW content has been banned since day one, because they didn't want to get sued. The change in April was a cosmetic update to how they displayed search results. It completely separated out real person content and NSFW content, to ensure that NSFW could not be displayed in proximity to real person content. This changed how content was displayed, not what content was allowed.

I'm sure some people do generate porn with celebrity LoRAs, but there are also plenty of legitimate uses such as parody, criticism, transformative art, etc. If people do post inappropriate content, there are civil remedies and now also federal criminal remedies via the TAKE IT DOWN Act. CivitAI is fully legally compliant, but they are being held hostage by an unelected, unaccountable payment processor cartel.

[protocolture]

>Even if they turn to crypto, this is a change they shouldn't walk back, or other providers are probably going to turn on them too.

Yep

[protocolture]

>Regulated

Well humans are regulated so I dont know what you are driving at here.

>Traceable

The core concept was built on traceability. Privacy coins are the aberration. Like crypto was developed by people who want provable auditing of banks online.

Actually if you compare Bitcoin to later standards, Bitcoins biggest weakness is that it wants to track coins individually instead of just balances. Literally invented by goldbugs.

>Slower

Depends on both parties. I can go Crypto -> Crypto -> Fiat in like 15 minutes. Osko can be faster.

>History can and has been rewritten

Thats a fail state but its done rather less than traditional currency

>Seems like bad currency, but maybe you're aware of something meaningful that crypto contributes.

My fondest memory was watching a whole bunch of libertarian crypto guys using it to donate to Venezuelans who would pop up in crypto spaces to talk about how hard their lives were and how bad government had screwed up their lives. I liked to think the libertarians were getting scammed but it didnt really matter, because there werent many other onramps into VZ at the time.

Really its best feature is that its largely unpreventable. Sure you can police the on and off ramps to an extent. But if I need to evade financial censorship, I can. Mostly I see people against crypto throw up a big smokescreen but at the end of the day they tend to be in favor of the financial censorship that crypto is avoiding at the moment. Be that donations to wikileaks, purchasing services without a credit card or what have you.