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by ivape 399 days ago
Can they really do this? You're telling me this is real and not one of those "just for show" things that have no real teeth and will eventually get overturned by a judge?
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Checks and balances are just words. So yes, they can and will do everything they want.
I mean Harvard will fight back in court. The courts are last bastion. Once the executive branch stops following what the courts order the checks and balances are gone.
How is the Supreme Court's 9-0 decision in favor of returning Garcia working out?

The courts have been beaten months ago. We are well into crazy train territory.

Lol Rubio told Xinis on national TV he was intentionally stonewalling any information to her, and she took it like a bitch and just kept rolling with keeping most their 'secrets' under seal (despite earlier talking big game of exposing them to sunlight).

The courts aren't even trying, they could order someone into contempt, but they won't.

"Ninth Circuit? Never heard of them. How many divisions do they have?"
We are in a non-constitutional crazy train territory, which will continue unless the right leaning voters do something about it at mid-terms. We're in the beginning of a very dangerous era.
They're not going to do anything about it. This is what they voted for. They thrive on our fear and anger. This is their revenge for the perceived wrongs of the Obama and Biden administrations.
> Checks and balances are just words.

By that logic, Trump's orders are just words. The Trump administration obeys the courts - they push the envelope way too far, but it is still rule of law.

They deported a man to El Salvador against a court order and then ignored an order from the Supreme Court to return him.
That's one person. While it's very important, it doesn't at all mean the courts don't exit.

> order from the Supreme Court to return him.

The Supreme Court did not order that.

Edit: If you object to these things, realize you are helping the Trump administration by spreading exaggerated fears about what's happening. They want people to believe they are super-powerful, unstoppable, inevitable; it intimidates people into inaction. Also, without accurate information, people can't make good decisions and act - you are helping a propaganda campaign (unwittingly). And finally, spreading fear is not what good, responsible leaders - or teammates - do.

> The Trump administration obeys the courts

We have multiple judges beginning contempt proceedings against the administration, so this is open to debate.

And, there's recent action in the budget bill to attempt to defang judges' contempt powers, seemingly in response.

"No court of the United States may use appropriated funds to enforce a contempt citation for failure to comply with an injunction or temporary restraining order if no security was given when the injunction or order was issued"

> The Trump administration obeys the courts

No they don't:

https://apnews.com/article/deportation-immigration-south-sud...

That is happening, but it's a narrow instance. It doesn't mean there aren't serious issues, but the GGP said, "Checks and balances are just words." Obviously that is not true.

Also, Trump is relying on Congress to pass bills, for example. It's not rule by decree.

Would you consider habeas corpus a critical element of rule of law?
There's been loose talk, but no violations of habeas corpus orders.
Have there been violations of the priciple of habeas corpus?
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> will eventually get overturned by a judge

Will the people who had to transfer or leave be made whole? Even if a judge overturns this it will take time that the students impacted by this will have to pay, regardless of outcome.

Absolutely they have explicit powers to do this. Harvard is refusing to comply with the requirements of the visa program that allows them to bring student into the country so the administration is removing Harvard from the program.

There is little to no chance of this getting overturned.

That's a weird way of phrasing things. Harvard isn't "bringing students into the country" in the way an employer might relocate an employee.

People want to study in the US, and the administration is revoking Harvard's ability to be on the list of study destinations.

The students want to go to Harvard, it's not that Harvard wants the students (of course they do, but that's not the direct concern here).

There is a 99% chance of this getting overturned.

Harvard will sue, lose in court, and then give DHS everything they want at which point they'll get their visas back.

They just want to pretend to be the victim for a while so that their overwhelmingly far-left faculty don't leave.