[rubitxxx10]

I’m old. I used one of the original boxed RH distros. It was cool then. That was almost 30 years ago.

I know they give back to Linux, and I’m thankful for the enterprises that pay for it because of that.

It’s not a bad company, though it’s strange that you could be a great developer and lose your position there if your project gets cut, unless another team picks you up, from what I hear.

But when Linus created Linux, he didn’t do it for money, and RH just seems corporate to me like the Microsoft of Linux, way back before Microsoft had their own Linux. I want my Linux free-range not cooped.

They don’t do anything wrong. They just don’t give the vibe. Anyone asking for money for it doesn’t “get it” to me.

[znpy]

> But when Linus created Linux, he didn’t do it for money, and RH just seems corporate to me like the Microsoft of Linux, way back before Microsoft had their own Linux. I want my Linux free-range not cooped.

You seem to forget that Red Hat has funded a lot of the development of the Linux ecosystem. There would be essentially no modern linux environment without Red Hat.

[lillecarl]

I'm thankful to RedHat, every other "cornerstone project" seems to be funded by them. The one that crossed my mind now is the PipeWire audio server, it just solved Linux audio for realsies this time.

I wouldn't use their products for much though, too enterprisey. Their projects are great and I'm happy someone else buys their packages.

[pjmlp]

Except Linux only took off thanks to those that didn't want to pay for UNIX, and the UNIX vendors that wanted to cut down R&D costs from their own in-house UNIX clones, and were uncertain if BSD was still safe to use with the ongoing AT&T lawsuit.

[inejge]

Re the last part: USL vs BSDi was filed in 1992 and settled in 1994, long before any sizeable vendor paid attention to Linux. (Version 1.0 of the Linux kernel was released at about the same time that lawsuit was settled.) So you shouldn't use that argument as part of your rationale.

[pjmlp]

I should because perceptions take a very long time to change.

If you ask random dev on the street about .NET, there is an high probability they will answer it is Windows only and requires Visual Studio.

[LeFantome]

You do not believe that what happened from 1991 to 1995 explains anything about how we got here?

Red Hat was founded in 1993. When do you think they got the idea? When do you think companies like Red Hat decided to bet on Linux instead of BSD? Debian was founded in 1993 as well. When was that lawsuit settled again?

An awful lot of the Linux momentum that carries us to this very day appeared after the BSD lawsuit was filed and before it was settled.

What about the other “big and professional” competitor to Linux?

GNU HURD was started in 1990. The original plan was to base it off the BSD kernel. The Linux kernel appeared in 1991. BSD fell under legal threat in 1992. Debian appeared in 1993. RMS lost interest in HURD. None of these dates had much impact you don’t think?

[LeFantome]

It is not that they did not want to pay for UNIX. After all, they pay for RHEL.

They did not want to pay for big iron for sure, preferring commodity hardware. Even then though, many Linux boxes can get pretty expensive.

I think it is more about openness and control than it is about cost. Linux brings flexibility and freedom.

So does BSD of course. The timing of that lawsuit changed the world.

[microtonal]

I’m old. I used one of the original boxed RH distros. It was cool then. That was almost 30 years ago.

Does anyone remember glint (graphical UI for RPM) that was part of Red Hat? Must have been Red Hat 4.x or thereabout.

[LeFantome]

Yes indeed. How about AwesomeWM? Not the one that exists now. The one from Red Hat 4.x or so.

[lttlrck]

Redhat made Linux palatable for enterprise though. Without enterprise adoption where would Linux be?