[ipsi]

And yet that's not enough, even when someone very definitely knows better: https://www.troyhunt.com/a-sneaky-phish-just-grabbed-my-mail...

Turns out that under certain conditions, such as severe exhaustion, that "sus filter" just... doesn't turn on quickly enough. The aim of passkeys is to ensure that it _cannot_ happen, no matter how exhausted/stressed/etc someone is. I'm not familiar enough with passkeys to pass judgement on them, but I do think there's a real problem they're trying to solve.

[diggan]

If you're saying something is less secure because the users might suffer from "severe exhaustion", then I know that there aren't any proper arguments for migrating to it. Thanks for confirming I can continue using OTP without feeling like I might be missing something :)

[simonw]

Passkeys genuinely do protect against severe exhaustion attacks.

[diggan]

Yeah, but they genuinely also prevent you from moving away from companies in the process of enshittification, since the whole export/import thing seemingly hasn't been figured out or even less been deployed yet.

Besides, if you ignore security alarm-bells going off when exhausted, I'm not sure what solution can 100% protect you.

[skydhash]

> If you're saying something is less secure because the users might suffer from "severe exhaustion"

Something "$5 wrench"

https://xkcd.com/538/