[ir77]

people here keep saying that this is targeted at big companies/corporations. the big company that i work for explicitly block uploads of data to these services and we're forbidden to put anything company related in there for many reasons, even if you use your own account, we don't have 'company accounts'.

so no, i can't see companies getting all excited about buying $250mo/user licenses for their employees for google or chatgpt to suck in their proprietary data.

[Havoc]

There are enterprise offerings that solve that. Guarantees that the data won’t be trained on etc.

I’m at a major financial company and we’ve had access to ChatGPT for over a year along with explicit approval to upload anything while it’s in enterprise mode

It’s a solved problem - technical, regulatory, legal.

[throwaway2037]

We have the same for GitLab Duo. Again, I work for a "global mega-corp" who would never want to leak their internal data. Do you know if your ChatGPT runs on-prem? I wondered that about our GitLab Duo access.

[bdangubic]

no sane company would go for this with proprietary data - local models only. the “solved problem - technical, regulatory, legal” is that… until it isn’t … and that time always comes

[Havoc]

>no sane company would go for this with proprietary data

Well then you might want to pull your pension and investments and keep it under your pillow in gold bar format. In fact maybe check out of the worlds financial system entirely.

I don't know the technical details on how they arrived at that, but I assure you the big dogs have concluded this works.

Besides half the world runs on excel files saved in the cloud.

[verdverm]

These subscriptions explicitly do not suck in your proprietary data, it's all laid out in their ToS.

[ndriscoll]

I don't think I've ever worked somewhere where you wouldn't get fired for sending company data to a party that doesn't have an NDA signed with the company, regardless of whatever ToS they have.

[verdverm]

What is everyone using GitHub and AWS doing? They certainly all do not have NDAs with their code hosts and cloud providers

It's in their interest to do right by their customers data, otherwise there will be a heap of legal troubles and major reputation hit, both impact bottom line more than training on your data. They can and do in fact make more money by offering to train dedicated models for your company on your data.without bringing that back to their own models.

[ndriscoll]

Everywhere I've worked has been strictly on-prem for source code (even when using Github), but I imagine company lawyers get involved with any kind of SaaS procurement? Like as an individual I'm not authorized to agree to any terms with anyone on behalf of my company. I know I've been in sales calls with suppliers where we had to wait for NDAs to be in place on both sides before we could talk.

[verdverm]

I can relay that NDAs are very rare in typical saas procurement and that the ToS with data addendums are satisfactory for most people

[quantumHazer]

Yeah, and who will make them accountable? How can you verify that they’re noteworthy stealing your data anyways? This companies don’t give a shit about copyright or privacy.

[croes]

They say that, but how would you know if they lie?

[sigmaisaletter]

The same companies who stole... sorry.. fair-used all the worlds artworks and all text on the internet to train their models are now promising you they won't steal...sorry... fair-use your uploaded data?

In unrelated matters, I have a bridge to sell you, if you are interested.