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by AStonesThrow 397 days ago
> Religion is probably one of the most complex yet misunderstood areas

Well, yes, and as a religious person, I would suggest that the metaphor is more accurate than you think.

To the pagans, a god is a supernatural force that demands worship, sacrifice, attention, effort, appeasement. To a Christian, a false idol is something that steals from the worship and sacrifice that is due to the One True God.

You can spot a modern American pagan by the deference and attention they give to their false idols. What sort of priority is ceded to our devices that detracts from truly transcendent and holy things in life? When I approach my church I've developed a ritual for taming and shutting down my phone -- yes, a ritual to put it in its place! But most days, the devices and the Internet are taking charge and telling us what we want and what we can do with ourselves.

False worship and pagan gods are slavery and bondage for us. The liberation from Egypt is a parable for today. If we cannot break free from our devices and scrolling the Internet, then Pharaoh will take away the straw and make us forage for ourselves. Our labors and the pains of bondage will increase.

Perhaps irreligious people are sensitive and defensive when others suggest that they may indeed be religious worshippers of false idols. This is an ancient phenomenon that, it is felt by the irreligious, belongs to the realm of anthropology and archaeology. Religious worship of a graven image -- it can't possibly be something done by a guy on his phone on the street corner! But it is. I assure you, it is real.

It is possible to engage the modern world without being trapped in this pagan worship, but it is not necessarily easy.

“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist” — Charles Baudelaire

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> pagans […] false idols […] pagan gods are slavery and bondage for us

Just want to point out that abuse of other religions, and using “pagans” as a disparaging term, continues to be done casually in the Christian-influenced sphere, basically legitimizing the history of colonialism and the wiping out of other traditions. Keep it to yourself man! In other contexts terms like “casual racism” and “hate speech” would apply. As another religious person, I can assure you that no, the GP is right and the analogy with religion is weak; being obsessed with phones is not in itself like a “pagan” religion either, which too is about the “truly transcendent and holy things in life” (just with less of a binary distinction between the sacred and the mundane, so that one can go about one's daily life while staying in touch with what's truly valuable, which again is the opposite of the stated effect of "scrolling").

As another religious person, your comment was as boring and difficult to follow as a typical Sunday homily, and for the same reasons. The world doesn't need even more bone dry exhortations and predictable parables. For God's sake, at least say something new and interesting, like how the Blessed Virgin Mary most likely wrote the Letter to the Hebrews and what that implies for the role of mothers, or how Judas was likely the biological son of St. Peter the Apostle and how this is a warning to children, or how Jesus and Mary being the new Adam and Eve implies that Joseph was the new Abel and how that fact helps fathers to know and live their vocations.
>Mary wrote Hebrews

Got any reading on this? I thought it was 'Paul' as in, most likely him or an associate. But I love alternative theories, esp when they bring some other weight or meaning. Esp when the correct answer almost cannot be known. If u got any links plz share!

Only this modern article[1]. Can't find any scholars or Church Fathers on this. Seems to be an entirely new theory in history, most likely because women were dismissed as possible author since (a) Hebrews 11:32 uses a masculine first person verb, which the article explains as being the Holy Spirit who coauthored the letter, and (b) women were not Apostles or leaders, which the article implies was not actually a hard and fast rule for inclusion in canon, resolves by saying she wrote it in secret.

One additional point this article doesn't mention is that 1 john 1:4 also uses "we" in the same way the article claims Hebrews does. Seeing as St. John the Apostle was clearly united with the Holy Spirit as Revelation shows, and as Mary lived with John, this further strengthens the theory that "we" means "the author and the Holy Spirit who the author was conscious was co-authoring the letter".

[1] https://www.immaculatalibrary.com/articles/2025-03-06-mary-w...

Fascinating, thanks! Will def check it out!
So you are a pagan knowingly worshipping false idols all day, except you turn it off temporarily while attending church?
Idk about them but I've never prayed to my phone. Pray to God everyday for my family and friends and the world. No matter what stock you put in legitimacy of prayer, certianly a phone isnt a device you'd expect to be able to answer prayers at all.

I use my computer not on the internet as my main device so I can't even scroll on there.

That's true of most Christians unfortunately. I've seen monks tell us that just because we go to church on Sunday doesn't make us practicing Christians. Most are living atheistic lifestyles and remember God only Sunday morning. Better than nothing I suppose..
is it? if I'm going to Hell anyway I might as well sleep in on Sundays
If you truly believed you were going to hell I think you'd have the opposite reaction
not if I'm literally damned if I do, and damned if I don't! might as well enjoy what I can while it lasts, in that case.

if I thought going to church would keep me out of Hell I'd have the opposite reaction, but the GP was talking about how most people who go to church are still going to Hell