[Braxton1980]

These protests were mostly against the state of Israel which isn't a violation of Title IX.I know there were specific instances of Anti-Semitism, which were wrong and should be punished, but is there evidence Harvard didn't take action for those?

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My concern is that Anti-Zionism is being conflated with Anti-Semitism by the complainants in order to

1. Bolster their case wrongfully by increasing the number of incidents

2. Defend the Israeli government

3. Expand Anti-Semitism to include Anti-Zionism in court decisions making future criticism of Israel dangerous

For example the complaint you linked to opens with

".. Since October 7, 2023, when Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and slaughtered, tortured, raped, burned, and mutilated 1,200 people—including infants, children, and the elderly"

Unnecessary details to the situation because if their claims against Harvard are valid the source of the anti-Semitism is irrelevant (edit: meaning anger at Israel's response to the attack)

This means it was placed at the beginning of the complaint to illicit an emotional reaction/reminder of the horrific event.

Edit: Just to add that if a person is criticizing Israel and a Jewish person feels threatened or avoids campus because of it that's not anti-Semitism.

[uhhhd]

"I know there were specific instances of Anti-Semitism, which were wrong and should be punished, but is there evidence Harvard didn't take action for those?" That is literally the allegation made in the lawsuit. And calling these protests merely "anti-Israel" is intentionally obtuse — it ignores the blatant anti-Jewish bigotry that was plainly on display.

[const_cast]

> And calling these protests merely "anti-Israel" is intentionally obtuse

No actually I think it's right on the money.

Some vaguely brown people being very mad at Israel does not antisemitism make.

Are they denying the Holocaust? Are they saying Jews should die? Or... are they saying Israel is committing a genocide? Are they blaming those particular jews running Israel?

I think we all know it's almost entirely the latter, and almost none of the former.

[Jensson]

> Are they saying Jews should die?

Quite a lot of people are. Just because some don't doesn't mean that others aren't.

[const_cast]

In every movement there are going to be extremists and people with prejudice.

However, you don't need to be antisemitic to be anti-Zionist. There are pretty much infinite reasons to denounce Israel, and the state seems to be making more every day.

If I, or anyone else, wanted to make a poignant argument against Israel we could simple gesture to the pile of crimes against humanity the state has committed. We wouldn't need to resort to antisemitism.

[Braxton1980]

>That is literally the allegation made in the lawsuit.

"I'd like to open my case against John Smith for murder your honor. My only piece of evidence that he committed this horrific crime is that he was accused of it. I rest my case"

>And calling these protests merely "anti-Israel" is intentionally obtuse — it ignores the blatant anti-Jewish bigotry that was plainly on display.

By all who were there or just some? Being the protest was open to all how can you lump all protestors together because of the views of some.

>intentionally obtuse

Because I avoided generalizations?

[slater]

Why is it so difficult to understand that one can be against the actions of the current Israeli government, without being a raging anti-semite?

[uhhhd]

References to Israel are not unnecessary details when protestors call for the elimination of the only existing Jewish state. Anti-Zionism isn't criticism of Israel. Its eliminationist rhetoric and plainly bigoted.

[Braxton1980]

>Anti-Zionism isn't criticism of Israel

"opposition to the establishment or support of the state of Israel"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Zionism

>Its eliminationist rhetoric and plainly bigoted.

There are some who think Israel shouldn't exist others who think their government is wrong.

If a person thinks all Israelis should be murdered then that's wrong. This is not the whole representation of Anti-Zionism but you are trying to make it

You can only be bigoted against a person or group of people, not a country or government.