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by mighmi 392 days ago
I guess the ussr originally were vibrant and full of innovation but especially the 30s purges killed it off.
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Social change was global. It had different local outcomes.

1918 was end of 2WW, most of Europe went from monarchy to democracy, except Russia which went from monarchy to autocracy. This change had orders of magnitude less victims in west.

1917 - 1990 soviets killed more of their own fellow citizens than Hitler did kill any citizen. so if soviets / current Russian establishment says Nazis were bad, then logically they have to say that they were bigger monsters themselves.

And if we talking about 6 million people dead in Holocaust, than current Russian establishment killed 1/6 of that amount in current war ON Ukraine. Just think about that perverse disaster currently happening and we live like it does not matter...

A lot of Russian capital from selling natural gas to Europe went to US.... most of NY diamond district is about Russian money. at least 30 % of Israelis are descendants of Russians. These thing mean nothing to anyone.

EDIT: 1918 was end of 1WW of course...

EDIT2:

Also, Germany was prohibited to have army by The Treaty of Versailles 1919.

1922 - Rapallo treaty was treaty between Germany and Russia. where Germany build factories on Russian soil with assistance of bolsheviks. they were building tanks, airplanes, chemical weapons (Shikhany / Tomka ),... so Russia was solely responsible that Germany had weapons with which they started 2ww

and Germany was solely responsible that Russia had copied weapon designs and had manufacturing capability to be in position to sign 1939 Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and attack western Europe TOGETHER with Nazi Germany. small pause in realations after NSDAP won is just that PAUSE.

Russians say that 2WW started 1942 because that is year when Germany attacked Germany allied Russia.

For western Europe 2WW started at 1939 when Germany AND Russia attacked Polland.

For Chinese 2WW started 1937 when japan invaded china.

chemical weapons kind of relations with fascist Italy were nonstop.

Don’t confuse “casualties” with “deaths”!

The Ukraine war has had nowhere near one million dead. More like a couple of hundred thousand at most.

If you prison someone in your basement and do not give them food and water, you are killer. Even tho you did not directly stopped their physiological functions.

If YOU act in a way that result of that act is death, then they are victim of YOUR act.

Current Russian establishment are responsible for situation which will not happen without them doing activities to start, sustain this situation. Situation which kills people. Current Russian establishments are therefor killers.

EDIT : this says 500 000 in 2023, 2 years ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/politics/ukraine-russi...

this says roughly 200 000 in 2025 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkm7lly61do

EDIT2: people from current Russian establishment acknowledged 22 million dead because of soviets. so even then we are talking about more people dead than Germany, for soviet regime deaths.. so real number are not lower than 22 million (Russian gov) and not higher than 62 million ( R.J.Rummel university of Hawaii.

EDIT3: Victims ≣ dead.

For victims AS casualties (physical, mental, economic,...) we have to add BILLIONS more. So lets stay in tens of millions. It is simpler to calculate.

Above poster is just trying to clarify that "casualties" means "dead or injured". Generally many more are injured than killed in war, so the number of causualties will be higher than the number of deaths.
Precisely.

Conversely, the "loss of working age men" in both Ukraine and Russia is much higher than the death toll from the war for various reasons: poor demographics, emigration, disability, permanently increased standing army size, reduced health care quality, etc...

so these additional numbers are also direct result of acts of Russian establishment.

so they are not MINUS,

they are PLUS just in other column.

So Russian establishment is not only killer, but also on top of that they are terroristic toward their own citizen.

yes i meant only dead.