[Gareth321]

> on the grounds that vaccines are something you only need to take once so the toxicity issue could be dodged

But we didn't take these vaccines once. We took many of them. Am I to understand a known side effect is liver toxicity for multiple doses?

[popol12]

I guess the issue is not about taking the medicine once vs twice, but rather « a few times » vs « daily »

[Gareth321]

It sure would be nice to see the data on length of time between doses to prevent toxicity. The fact they deleted all of that data sure is suspicious and incredibly worrying.

[mike_hearn]

You have successfully read between the lines, yes.

[Avamander]

They have not.

[heavyset_go]

Toxicity depends on dose. COVID vaccines just need micrograms of material to induce an immune response, I imagine it takes more than that to edit the genes of a large organ.

[mike_hearn]

There have sadly been cases where the vaccines did perform unintended gene editing. It shows up as people whose bodies are still producing spike protein months or years after vaccination.

[floam]

Are you saying that there are cases of longer than expected spike protein presence where these cases are actually because gene editing took place?

[mike_hearn]

The Yale LISTEN study found such people for example. Studies on post vaccination heart damage also found free spike protein in the blood of those affected, i.e. the body had turned off the immune response to the spike due to persistent internal production. The most likely way this happened is understood if you dig into it.

[karagenit]

Do you have a citation for this? The only relevant study I saw on the LISTEN website was a preprint of a study showing data on self-reported post-vaccine symptoms, but didn’t really talk about causes or gene edits (Krumholz et al. 2023).

[mike_hearn]

It did discuss causes to some surface level: continuous spike protein production, T-cell exhaustion and Epstein-Barr reactivation. And they're investigating post-vaccine syndrome so the root cause there would be clear, as the study authors discussed in the LISTEN press release.

It's easy to find papers discussing the problem, just search Google Scholar. Example:

https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/prp...

Integration was proven in 2024, unfortunately :(

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.24.24304286v...

"Of the S1 positive post-vaccination patients, we demonstrated by liquid chromatography/ mass spectrometry that these CD16+ cells from post-vaccination patients from all 4 vaccine manufacturers contained S1, S1 mutant and S2 peptide sequences"

They can tell the difference between vaccine spike and virus spike as the vaccine spike was modified for stability. The exact pathway is speculated to have been DNA contamination due to manufacturing process defects. Sequencing of vaccine vials has shown far higher levels of DNA contamination than is considered safe, and the lipids would bring DNA into the cells just as well as they do mRNA making the safe levels much lower still.

https://osf.io/b9t7m_v1/download/