[bradlys]

These numbers don’t really account for the fact that the “official” suicide is 4x the rate of women. Men do more dangerous things but they also just kill themselves in many different ways that don’t get depicted accurately in the stats.

[watwut]

These are generally not suicides and suicides are not all that relevant. There is nothing inaccurate about these statistics. Statistically speaking, women drive better.

[const_cast]

Women just partake in less risky behavior, period.

One fun example of this is gay bars versus lesbian bars. Lesbian bars are exceedingly rare. Some previous owners have talked about it, but it boils down to:

1. Women don't have the same rate of alcoholism as men. Gay bars are fueled in large part due to men's substance abuse issues combined with higher rates of substance abuse in gay men.

2. Women don't seek sex with people they barely know like men do, and particularly gay men. Well, there goes the allure of the lesbian bar.

Women die less, drink less, smoke less, do crime less, everything.

[watwut]

How does that contradicts anything? Even if it was only factor that makes women better drivers, they would still be better drivers. And it would make sense to put more effort into teaching men better.

Women making more rational decisions about alcohol, being less impulsive in emotional situations might be other factors ... but again, a solution might involve teaching men to control impulses better, more like women do.

All those are influenced by culture and societal expections. Ration of women vs men drinking/smaking changes with time and culture.

That being said, 100% of women die, just like 100% of men die.

[const_cast]

> How does that contradicts anything?

It doesn't, I never said it does. In fact I'm just adding on, not arguing.

> but again, a solution might involve teaching men to control impulses better, more like women do.

Yeah I agree that will definitely help.

> Ration of women vs men drinking/smoking changes with time and culture.

Somewhat, but I don't believe there was ever a time where women were ahead of men. I think pretty much for all of human history, on the topic of "stuff that can kill you" men take the lead. With the exception being pregnancy, but that's pretty self explanatory.

I think there has to be some hormonal component to this. It seems testosterone is not so good for addictions or impulse control. I don't have any evidence, although maybe some exists. It just seems... more than cultural if this has been a problem for as long as human history has existed.

[satisfice]

Safer is not necessarily better. That’s a choice you are making.

I gave up driving a motorcycle when I got married, because I no longer enjoyed putting myself and others at risk. It fascinated me how instantly I lost interest in it, because I hadn’t realized that risk had been the prime motivator.

Maybe the sensation of risk is an important vitamin for the spirit of a man. Anyway, you don’t know that it isn’t.

[UncleMeat]

Are you claiming that the difference in traffic fatalities among men and women is because men are secretly using traffic fatalities to commit suicide?