[blitzar]

It is wonderful that we have things like CGM's and patients can establish their own baselines and their own evidence profiles on a high(ish) frequency basis.

Such tools also enable studies that can be done at a scale and cost level that is reasonable and can push forward the communal knowledge base.

[Taikonerd]

This is the idea behind the "Zoe" service: https://zoe.com/en-us

1. You wear a CGM for 2 weeks, and log everything you eat.

2. At the end, you get a personalized report about how different foods that you ate affect you, personally. And they can extrapolate to other foods that you didn't eat during the testing period.

3. Zoe's model gets better and better the more people sign up, and the more data they get.

[happyopossum]

This is the type of thing that the linked studies refute - there are either too many external variables to control, or our bodies glucose response is far more complex than we currently understand. Or both - both of the above seem possibly true at the same time.

Either way, if something as simple as eating a few bites of bacon before you eat your toast can change your glucose response, manually logging your meals for Zoe isn’t gonna provide enough data for any reliable extrapolations.

[robertlagrant]

> Either way, if something as simple as eating a few bites of bacon before you eat your toast can change your glucose response, manually logging your meals for Zoe isn’t gonna provide enough data for any reliable extrapolations

I'm not sure - the fact that it does vary from person to person, doesn't mean there aren't groups of people for whom it behaves more predictably, which could be clinically useful.

[smt88]

> And they can extrapolate to other foods that you didn't eat during the testing period.

I would need to see an independent researcher confirm they can do this. As of now, I don't believe they can, and I'm not even sure the theory is reasonable.

[lucas_membrane]

A CGM is not easy to use reproducibly. The quality control of the manufacturers is not that good, the placement of the sensor (particularly if it is near a place where insulin injections have caused lumps under the skin, or if it is on the back of the arm, where there may not be a lot of flesh) may cause some troubles, the calibration process is dubious, since CGM readings lag blood glucose by around half an hour, rapidly changing blood sugar levels seem to confuse the monitors, and very high or very low blood sugars seem to cause the accuracy of the sensors to deteriorate noticeably a few days prior to their respective expiration dates.

And how do you know that the logs are accurate? The best subjects are incarcerated subjects.

All that said, it's a long row to hoe, and the monitors are definitely worth all the annoyances; they are way better than peeing on a strip of testape like we did back in the old two-holer. But science is very hard.

[csours]

Yup, and this was the original dream of Theranos - lots of measurements, lots of data. It's a nice dream, shame about the lies though.