[zkry]

Ironically LLMs have made Emacs even more relevant. The model LLMs use (text) happens to match up with how Emacs represents everything (text in buffers). This opens up Emacs to becoming the agentic editor par excellence. Just imagine, some macro magic acound a defcommand and voila, the agent can do exactly what a user can. If only such a project could have the funding like Cursor does...

[throwanem]

Nothing could be worse for the modern Emacs ecosystem than for the tech industry finance vampires ("VCs," "LPs") to decide there's blood enough there to suck.

Fortunately, alien space magic seems immune, so far at least. I assume they do not like the taste, and no wonder.

[imiric]

Why should the Emacs community care whether someone decides to build a custom editor with AI features? If anything this would bring more interest and development into the ecosystem, which everyone would benefit from. Anyone not interested can simply ignore it, as we do for any other feature someone implements into their workflow.

[tough]

what i find interesting is why is nobody building llms trained on using the shell and PTY at its full

right now its dumb unix piping only

I want an AI that can use emacs or vim with me

[throwanem]

Elnode should make this very easy, given the triviality of the MCP "protocol."

I would take care. Emacs has no internal boundaries by design and it comes with the ability to access files and execute commands on remote systems using your configured SSH credentials. Handing the keys to an enthusiastically helpy and somewhat cracked robot might prove so bad an idea you barely even have time to put your feet up on the dash before you go sailing through the windshield.

[sokoloff]

There are tens (maybe low hundreds?) of thousands of people who want that.

Which is exactly why it hasn’t been commercially developed.

[tough]

yea... I guess is too niche, I guess scratch your own itch + foss it so the low hundreds of us can have fun or smt

I was exploring using andyk/ht discussed on hn a few months back, to sit as a proxy my llm can call at the same time i control via xtermjs, but i need to figure out how to train the llm to output keybindings/special keys etc, but promising start nonetheless, i can indeed parse a lot of extra info than just a command, just imagine if AI could use all of the shell auto-complete features but feed into it..

maybe i should revisit/cleanup that repo and make it public. It feels like with just some data training on special key bindings etc an llm should be able to type, even if -char by char- at a faster speed than a human, to control TUI's

[zaphar]

There are several neovim mcp providers that expose bash and neovim as a tool so you can already do that.

[imiric]

I'm not sure why you were downvoted. You're right that buffers and everything being programmable makes Emacs an ideal choice for building an AI-first editor. Whether that's something that a typical Emacs user wants is a separate issue, but someone could certainly build a polished experience if they had the resources and motivation. Essentially every Emacs setup is someone's custom editor, and AI features are not different from any other customization.