[fc417fc802]

> then you set traps like disallowing something in robots.txt and then ban anything that tries to access it

That doesn't work at all when the scraper rapidly rotates IPs from different ASNs because you can't differentiate the legitimate from the abusive traffic on a per-request basis. All you can be certain of is that a significant portion of your traffic is abusive.

That results in aggressive filtering schemes which in turn means permitted bots must be whitelisted on a case by case basis.

[zrm]

> That doesn't work at all when the scraper rapidly rotates IPs from different ASNs because you can't differentiate the legitimate from the abusive traffic on a per-request basis.

Well sure you can. If it's requesting something which is allowed in robots.txt, it's a legitimate request. It's only if it's requesting something that isn't that you have to start trying to decide whether to filter it or not.

What does it matter if they use multiple IP addresses to request only things you would have allowed them to request from a single one?

[fc417fc802]

> If it's requesting something which is allowed in robots.txt, it's a legitimate request.

An abusive scraper is pushing over your boxes. It is intentionally circumventing rate limits and (more generally) accurate attribution of the traffic source. In this example you have deemed such behavior to be abusive and would like to put a stop to it.

Any given request looks pretty much normal. The vast majority are coming from residential IPs (in this example your site serves mostly residential customers to begin with).

So what if 0.001% of requests hit a disallowed resource and you ban those IPs? That's approximately 0.001% of the traffic that you're currently experiencing. It does not solve your problem at all - the excessive traffic that is disrespecting ratelimits and gumming up your service for other well behaved users.

[zrm]

Why would it be only 0.001% of requests? You can fill your actual pages with links to pages disallowed in robots.txt which are hidden from a human user but visible to a bot scraping the site. Adversarial bots ignoring robots.txt would be following those links everywhere. It could just as easily be 50% of requests and each time it happens, they lose that IP address.