[eadmund]

> Would you believe me and would you immediately start following the advice if I told you that the key to a healthy life is "Surround yourself with meaningful relationships, sleep well, eat well, exercise, don't drink alcohol, and don't smoke"?

> There's also a good chance that you will agree with the above advice.

I just want to note that I do not agree with the above advice. Tobacco and alcohol in moderation are key parts of a healthy life. Abstention is neurotic and thus unhealthy.

[koliber]

Your opinion that tobacco and alcohol in moderation are key parts of a healthy life is in the minority.

There was some evidence that pointed to some benefits to occasional minimal alcohol consumption, but in more recent years, the scientific opinion is that there are no safe amounts of alcohol consumption.

Alcohol has a side benefit that it generally encourages socializing, and being among people DOES have big health benefits. However, if you can have meaningful relationships and socialize WITHOUT consuming alcohol, that is even better.

I'm willing to bet that me stating that did not convince you in the slightest. However, if you read a book or two, were presented with evidence, written in more elegant prose, there is a bigger chance that you might be willing to start believing it.

Just stating things does very little, and that is why books are valuable.

[eadmund]

> the scientific opinion is that there are no safe amounts of alcohol consumption

That is incorrect. For it to be true, a single drink in one’s life would be an unsafe amount — and that is clearly nonsense.

Alcohol and tobacco have positive and negative mental, physical and spiritual effects. Abused, they are terrible. Employed properly, they are key factors in a balanced, pleasant, meaningful and rewarding life — a healthy life.

I do acknowledge that the balance may be much less than folks commonly use. I hope that weekly use of alcohol and tobacco is safe enough, but fear that daily use may not be. I will not accept that yearly use is negative.

[sgarland]

You are the first person I have ever seen argue that tobacco in moderation is healthy. Quite the claim.

[eadmund]

A pack of cigarettes a year isn’t going to have any appreciable harm. A cigar a month isn’t going to have any appreciable harm. A pipe every few days isn’t going to have any appreciable harm.

But all of those will improve the quality of one’s life, and thus improve one mental health.

[arcanemachiner]

I have a friend who has claimed, on multiple occasions, that soda pop protects your teeth because the acid kills the bacteria.

So, you know, these ideas are out there.