[TrapLord_Rhodo]

If it crashes, it's my fault. At every point i'm supervising.

Except in self summon, and if it side swipes the car on the way out, it's obviously still my fault. That's just never happened to me.

Where in my sentence did i say I wasn't fully in control of the situation? I just say i very, very rarely even have to disengage in situations.

On the very rare occassion that i do disengage, it's not really that the car is going to put me in a life threatening situation, it kinda just stops... and tweeks out a bit. Mainly at some super wierd triangle intersection in some of the small towns along the california coast.

Honestly i've come to "feel" the car after using it. I'll disengage if i even have a shadow of a doubt it's not going to work, and in situations where i've seen it "fail" before. It might have accomplished it, but instead i just drive through the wierd intersection and reengage.

This has already turned into a rant, but one last point; Have you driven in the other cars in Austin? They do the same thing. When it tweaks, or thinks it might tweak, they patch over to a human who takes control of the car.

[hengheng]

> For all intents and purposes, it's self driving.

Except that you're responsible for its faults and errors, because you are the one driving.

"Self driving" means I can be drunk, or I can put a kid in it, or an elderly person. That's what that word means: the car drives itself.

[TrapLord_Rhodo]

Why don't you add anywhere to that list? If the car drives itself, why is it geofenced into only places google has HD mapped down to the centimeter. My car can drive itself to Tahoe, can a waymo?

[dekhn]

Waymo's strategy is to be extremely cautious and slowly improve the system and increase its scope over time with the goal of establishing self-driving cars as a long-term viable solution. They know they need to increase the trust of many people. Therefore, they geofence to locations where they have an understanding with the local politicians and government, near support facilities, and high quality data.

Tesla chose a different strategy. It's hard to collect enough data to know exactly how safe it is.

[hengheng]

That is the difference between "safety first" and "my personal convenience first", which again boils down to insurance liability.

As long as you pay for the people you injure and kill on the way, you can let your Tesla drive you anywhere, even if it can't do it. You can let it try, and maybe it fails. That's totally fine. You will be held liable, but you get to enjoy your trip to Tahoe.

Self-driving companies that have to pay for the systematic faults of their systems will usually move different.

[saagarjha]

Because Waymo is not stupid enough to take liability for a situation which they aren't extremely confident about. Tesla is also not stupid; they just don't take liability period.

[dekhn]

Wait, which car are you saying gets taken over by a human? Waymo?