[swyx]

disagree. modular has a different focus, to turn python into a systems language.

you could even say that astral and modular focus on two extreme ends of the developer experience spectrum - just making python tooling faster, vs making python-ish code faster.

[screye]

To be clear, I wasn't dunking on Modular. I meant it more as praise for what Astral has achieved. Lattner is a veteran and Mojo seems to be coming along at a good pace. Mojo is admittedly more of a Rust-competitor. Couldn't think of other contemporary "we are trying fix python's problems" companies. So went for the low hanging fruit.

Either way, Python's irritants are the 'stick' that motivates devs to try alternatives. Astral is patching python's problems at lightning speed. Soon, there may not be enough incentive left to migrate off python. I'm assuming Mojo's target customer is an application dev who uses python and not a seasoned system dev looking for a more aesthetic language.

fwiw, I hope Mojo succeeds.