[whstl]

Sure, but my point is that certain tasks that people believe to be the responsibility of PMs is better done by engineers, IME.

And your example is also a good one, I totally agree, PMs managing deadlines is also not a good idea.

[conrs]

Yes, I feel like most Product Managers I’ve worked with are more like Project Managers - all about deadlines, largely just accepting requirements rather than refining, etc.