[kristopolous]

Comfyui workflows, fine-tuning models, keeping up with the latest arxiv papers, patching academic code to work with generative stacks, this stuff is grueling.

Here's an example https://files.meiobit.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/22l0nqm...

Being dismissive of AI art is like those people who dismiss electronic music because there's a drum machine.

Doing things well still requires an immense amount of skill and exhaustive amount of effort. It's wildly complicated

[codr7]

Makes even less sense when you put it like that, why not invest that effort into your own skills instead?

[kristopolous]

It is somebody's own skill.

Photographers are not painters.

People who do modular synths aren't guitarists.

Technical DJing is quite different from tapping on a Spotify app on a smartphone.

Just because you've exclusively exposed yourself to crude implementations doesn't mean sophisticated ones don't exist.

[delfinom]

But you just missed the point.

People aren't trying to push photographs into painted works displays

People who do modular synths aren't typically trying to sell their music as country/rock/guitar based music.

A 3D modeler of a statue isn't pretending to be a sculpturist.

People pushing AI art are trying to slide it right into "human art" displays. Because they are talentless otherwise.

[kristopolous]

When those technologies were new people gave them all the exact same critique and from a labor perspective they were all correct. The industrial labor critique is 100% valid.

The portraiture artist industry was dramatically disrupted by the daguerreotype.

The automobile dried up the income of farrier and blacksmith along with ending the horsemanship industry.

The rise of synthesizers in the 80s greatly reduced the number of studio musicians.

And it's undeniable that the industry of commercial artists is currently being disrupted by AI.

But the decline of portraiture artist due to daguerreotypes doesn't mean, say Ansel Adams is dogshit.

We can acknowledge both the industrial ramifications and the labor and skill of the new forms without being dismissive of either. Auto repair is still a skill. Driving a car is still work even if there's no horses.

When mechanical looms replaced manual weavers during the luddite movement, it might have killed countless careers but it didn't kill fashion. Our clothing isn't simulacrum echos of the 1820s.

This is the transfer of a skill into a property. The transfer of a skill into a property changes it from something that must be rented from below to something that can be owned from above.

Property isn't a thing however, it's a chosen relationship between people about a thing. we could make different choices...

[codr7]

This is different. Now the tool is giving us (lousy) instructions, that never happened before.