[voidspark]

> Gluten-free means free of gluten.

Bad analogy. That's a binary classification. AGI systems can have degrees of performance and capability.

> Humans are not. LLMs are.

My point is that if you oversimplify LLMs to "word autocompletion" then you can make the same argument for humans. It's such an oversimplification of the transformer / deep learning architecture that it becomes meaningless.

[JumpCrisscross]

> That's a binary classification. AGI systems can have degrees of performance and capability

The "g" in AGI requires the AI be able to perform "the full spectrum of cognitively demanding tasks with proficiency comparable to, or surpassing, that of humans" [1]. Full and not full are binary.

> if you oversimplify LLMs to "word autocompletion" then you can make the same argument for humans

No, you can't, unless you're pre-supposing that LLMs work like human minds. Calling LLMs "emerging AGI" pre-supposes that LLMs are the path to AGI. We simply have no evidence for that, no matter how much OpenAI and Google would like to pretend it's true.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligenc...

[famouswaffles]

Why are you linking a Wikipedia page like it's the ground zero for the term? Especially when neither article the page link to justify that definition see the term as a binary accomplishment.

The g in AGI is General. I don't what world you think Generality isn't a spectrum, but it's sure as hell isn't this one.

[voidspark]

That's right, and the Wikipedia page refers to the classification system:

"A framework for classifying AGI by performance and autonomy was proposed in 2023 by Google DeepMind researchers. They define five performance levels of AGI: emerging, competent, expert, virtuoso, and superhuman"

In the second paragraph:

"Some researchers argue that state‑of‑the‑art large language models already exhibit early signs of AGI‑level capability, while others maintain that genuine AGI has not yet been achieved."

The entire article makes it clear that the definitions and classifications are still being debated and refined by researchers.

[voidspark]

Then you are simply rejecting any attempts to refine the definition of AGI. I already linked to the Google DeepMind paper. The definition is being debated in the AI research community. I already explained that definition is too limited because it doesn't capture all of the intermediate stages. That definition may be the end goal, but obviously there will be stages in between.

> No, you can't, unless you're pre-supposing that LLMs work like human minds.

You are missing the point. If you reduce LLMs to "word autocompletion" then you completely ignore the the attention mechanism and conceptual internal representations. These systems have deep learning models with hundreds of layers and trillions of weights. If you completely ignore all of that, then by the same reasoning (completely ignoring the complexity of the human brain) we can just say that people are auto-completing words when they speak.

[JumpCrisscross]

> I already linked to the Google DeepMind paper. The definition is being debated in the AI research community

Sure, Google wants to redefine AGI so it looks like things that aren’t AGI can be branded as such. That definition is, correctly in my opinion, being called out as bullshit.

> obviously there will be stages in between

We don’t know what the stages are. Folks in the 80s were similarly selling their expert systems as a stage to AGI. “Emerging AGI” is a bullshit term.

> If you reduce LLMs to "word autocompletion" then you completely ignore the the attention mechanism and conceptual internal representations. These systems have deep learning models with hundreds of layers and trillions of weights

Fair enough, granted.

[voidspark]

> Sure, Google wants to redefine AGI

It is not a redefinition. It's a classification for AGI systems. It's a refinement.

Other researchers are also trying to classify AGI systems. It's not just Google. Also, there is no universally agreed definition of AGI.

> We don’t know what the stages are. Folks in the 80s were similarly selling their expert systems as a stage to AGI. “Emerging AGI” is a bullshit term.

Generalization is a formal concept in machine learning. There can be degrees of generalized learning performance. This is actually measurable. We can compare the performance of different systems.