[schiffern]

  >This is what the Nazi's, and many other destructive and evil regimes have done. Supporting this, making light of it, is the same as supporting one of those camps.

I can't tell anymore. Is this allusion to silly irrational Godwin's Law arguments (in a thread about online debating) supposed to be intentionally or unintentionally this funny?

If it's parody, absolutely pitch perfect. Well played.

[trod1234]

The response covers the uninformed research on human subjects, and the unquantifiable harms that type of research touches on, as well as the factual history.

Godwin's Law in turn, runs in the same circle as Hanlon's law. The law itself is a joke not meant to be taken seriously.

What's being discussed is not a joke, and mis-attributing it to this context does the discussion a great disservice.

Involuntary uninformed human experimentation is a very serious matter. Making light of verified claims of such as a joke is in poor taste.

[Supermancho]

> Involuntary uninformed human experimentation is a very serious matter.

Social experimentation is not serious or unserious. It's the human condition to be subject to it, at every interaction with every animate and inanimate signal that a human can react to. There is nothing nefarious about an open forum being fully, partly, or devoid of inputs that are not carefully curated by another human. The billboard you see on the highway is more impactful and overt than the referenced experiment. ie Yelling at the clouds will not make the world a better place.

[trod1234]

> The billboard you see on the highway is more impactful and overt than the referenced experiment.

You could not be more wrong. A billboard is non-interactive. It can never make full use of any of the psychological blindspots inherent in people whereas the experiment was entirely interactive.

You are aware that your stated opinion of social experimentation includes outcomes that historically are found in cults, and torture, and had outcomes of death right? You completely neglect that in your argument to support this. The Jonestown massacre as an example.

Are you familiar with the coercive double bind of Sophie's choice?

The way it goes...You have a choice, to kill one of your children by sending them off to the gas chamber, your son or your daughter, but in so doing you will save your other son or daughter, if you make no choice both die and so do you.

You are isolated, it is just you and your children you can't get help. You cannot remove yourself from the choice. There is perceived loss that may become real loss, you won't know until you make the choice. There is the cognitive dissonance in that your identity as a parent is protective in nature but you must violate that to remain internally consistent to protect the other. The survivor will know you made the choice. There are multiple structured trauma loops.

This described situation falls under social experimentation. It also meets all the classical requirements for real-world torture which is simply the imposition of psychological stress through elements, structuring (trauma loops), and clustering (in time of these things).

Yelling at the clouds will not make the world a better place by itself, sure, and inducing people to mental breakdown, and other related psychological and physiological responses that arise and form issues precognition that come with torture are far worse, which you neglect or simply don't know.

Indoctrination of youth includes torture during a period of vulnerability in their development which crystallizes their thought processes moving forward in life. This also falls under social experimentation. It need not be physical, you can inflict these things on others socially through structure and word through communication. This is the basis for propaganda which many don't even realize they've adopted internally.

A loud or short series of pops is heard near a school. If your immediate first thought was school shooting, that's a mild indoctrination. A car backfired, or some kids lit some fireworks, far more common but not enough to warrant being on the news (distorted reflected appraisal at work).

Operant conditioning towards stimuli caused by a constant barrage of curated media can have lasting harm to self when done for purpose.

The same goes for a lot of other things, often towards disunity, people rarely reflect on their first impulses, and if you don't have critical attention in those impulses they simply follow set patterns robotically which is thoroughly described in classic material on this subject matter (Joost Meerloo and Robert Lifton).

If you distort the inputs and shape the mind into a parasitic structure for purpose towards a non-adaptive control, this causes societal systems to fails over time the brittle bridge breaks under stress. The flexible adaptive solution is resilient.

This goes to the heart of the differences between Proteanism and Totalism cultures.

In the latter you get a lot of doomed people who can't reason or think, and by extension lack the critical gift that elevates humanity over animals. These types are already dead, they just don't know it yet, and simply wait for the right set of circumstances to arise that will domino to extinction, as occurs more often than not in dystopian fiction.

Anything related to the protection and assurance of the dependencies you need to grow, self-direct, and survive are a serious matter to the living.

[Supermancho]

> You could not be more wrong.

I am not wrong at all, despite the phrasing.