[ses1984]

It does matter in the real world because practically no one is going to adhere to a diet unless care and consideration has been given to things like satiety.

Adherence is way more important than getting pedantic about thermodynamics.

[tekla]

People fail to adhere to diets because its SO EASY TO MAKE EXCUSES.

People can do intermittent fasting all they want, but if they're eating a stick of butter during feeding times, its worthless. Eating to satiety is useless as a marker because satiety is subjective.

Measuring your food does not give you an excuse to cheat, except the person simply choosing not to do it properly. There are no weird ways of getting around the fact that you have a maximum calorie limit, and thats it.

[const_cast]

This is just a reductionist mindset.

Of course satiety and gut microbiome matters.

I'm thin. Do you know what I do to maintain that? Fuck all. I eat what I want, when I want. Do I exercise? No.

Why is it that I don't have to try at all, but you do? Shouldn't you be a little curious, a little jealous? How cool would it be if you could maintain what you have now, but without any of the effort?

There's a lot of stuff I don't care about. I don't care about alcohol consumption either. I drink what I want, when I want. And it works out great for me. For others, that plunges them into a life of alcoholism and they die young of cirrhosis. Why? Why does it work that way? Why is it that I can do whatever but other people can't?

These are the questions we should be asking. You're solving the symptom, not the cause here. Eating too much is a symptom. The root cause is the propensity to overeat. I don't have that propensity, so guess what - I never have to try. But why don't I have it? Will I one day get it?

[anonymars]

I'm the same way, and I'm pretty sure there's a big part of the "CO" part that differs among people, namely absorption vs excretion. Suffice it to say I think some bodies "hoard" more than others

Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42376760

[tekla]

I'm not curious or jealous at all.

I lost 150 pounds in 2 years and all I did was eat less, and I kept it off easily. I'm not curious because I saw pictures of myself before I lost weight and I saw the plates of food in front of me and it was absolutely disgusting amounts of food.

I feel sick when I eat large amounts of food and I like to keep it that way, and all it needed was getting used to eating less.

[unaindz]

Good for you but most people that do just that rebound a few months/years later. Maybe you already had a good enough diet and reducing sizes did it for you but most people require a change in their diet for it to stick. Keeping yourself thin on a highly caloric fast food diet is always harder and if you are already obese you most likely have a problem with food too.

[ses1984]

> I did this famously difficult thing therefore it’s easy actually

Some people…

[const_cast]

See, you're somewhere in the middle.

I don't have to try at all, you had to try a little, and some people have to try a lot. And that's why we're seeing a variety of experiences with obesity.

The difference is, I recognize there must be something about my genetics, or my way of life, or my upbringing, or whatever, that gives me such privilege. You, however, have zero humility, and simply believe yourself superior. I doubt it works that way.

I mean, I have plenty of other problems. I have no discipline, no self control. And I'm thin. So... it's more complicated then you give it credit.

[nunez]

Most diets are completely unsustainable by design, hence why dropout rate is so high.