[delusional]

> when in reality, it's the OS

I disagree. Application developers have always been absolutely terrible at packaging. We see this all the time on linux, where publishers just fail to follow the packaging standard of the system, and instead develop an "installer" for their special little snowflake application. The OS cannot save you from that unless you also control distribution and can tell that publisher "you don't get to publish to my very valuable user group if you don't follow my rules".

Publishers have shown time and time again that if given a permission system, they'll just ask for every single permission under the sun, unless somebody stops them from doing that. The user sure isn't. They'll run whatever garbage installer script the publisher gives them because they want the application.

I don't like Apple's monopolistic behavior. I personally believe it would be a great service to the western world to break apart Big Tech, but the incentives that drive application development ARE broken. Apple has good reason to try and fix that with the app store, they just don't get to do it by running a monopoly.

[Tijdreiziger]

We don’t see this on Android, where you can install apps from outside the Play Store.

[delusional]

Currently we do not. There's been some of it on the fringes of enterprise/corporate stuff, but in the mainstream the Play store has had a de-facto monopoly for a while.

I would argue that this doesn't change my previous argument. I'm talking about how the "modern" OS experience necessitates a near-monopolistic app-store. That the OS cannot be separated from the app-store. This is also the current state of the Play store, even if google technically allows competitors. I also think their reluctant acceptance of these competitors was relatively recent, and therefore that market is still young. I would think that by the time several competing app-stores exist with their own exclusive apps, you'd have a markedly different experience on these OS's than you have today.

[jimbokun]

Does Android have just as good a security record as iOS? I honestly don't know the answer to this question.

[fsflover]

F-Droid has a better security record.

[wpm]

> They'll run whatever garbage installer script the publisher gives them because they want the application.

OK, sure. Fine. Whatever.

Fuckin learn or get wrecked.