[adra]

I'm sure that China will suffer greatly from any trade war, and I'm positive the US will blink first. Chinese consumer and workers are already significantly less likely to revolt, stop working, drag their country down. The second that dollar store becomes $10store in the US, it'll be pandemonium, and they only have a single person to blame for their troubles. China? They may be doing anti-competitive trade practices and haven't been put to task, but if you ask the Chinese citizen who to blame on the trade war, it'll be trump. If you ask a US citizen who to blame for this trade war, it'll be trump.

[ratorx]

In this case, that seems pretty accurate? Trump is indeed the one that started the trade war. External enemies are easier to unite against etc.

[nebula8804]

Our tiktok/instragram/youtube has been downright flooded with pro Chinese propaganda for the last few weeks.

Sounds like we need to really start hustling and push the lie flat movement hard on the Chinese platforms.

In the meantime Trump will find a way to blame Biden, he has already started.

[raydev]

> downright flooded with pro Chinese propaganda for the last few weeks

Can you link some examples? I (shamefully) have been spending a lot of time on TikTok lately but it's mostly devoid of politics.

My YT home page is still the same 3-4 topics I already watch most often. No politics.

[nebula8804]

I actually have made it a personal rule to never sign up for TikTok. Instagram usually gets the stolen reposted content of whatever trends on TikTok a week ago. Browsing Instagram on the phone you are just swiping and taking in whatever the algorithm feeds you and unless you save it, that content might be gone forever. Who knows how much slop has just "drive by" messed up my brain.

Nevertheless I saved a couple pieces I found interesting or amusing:

[1]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGz-LXXRuZT/

[2]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIcfiVwyobj/

[3]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIctsOCC5Zy/ (<- that one got me bopping to the song lol)

[4]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DItvZlXtnPJ/

[5]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DI4AcPvMuCt/ (Guess the algorithm thinks I like Tom & Jerry lol)

[6]: https://www.instagram.com/barto_lovo/reel/DILkfVzt-vs/

[7]: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIPhTmjSOIb/

[platevoltage]

I made a new TikTok account out of curiosity after Trump "saved" the platform. No exaggeration, half of the "For You" content was from "Team Trump" or Charlie Kirk. They are actively pushing propaganda, but I've seen no signs that it's Chinese propaganda, unless you assume that Bytedance is bowing to Trump, and that Bytedance is controlled by the Chinese Government, which just raises more questions.

Youtube Premium is the only "streaming service" I actually pay money for, and I use it quite a bit. Rarely ever does something off the wall get pushed to me. I do consume politics on YT, and occasionally something right wing shows up, but it's rare. I have no doubt that this stuff would be prioritized on a new account though.

[KennyBlanken]

> I've seen no signs that it's Chinese propaganda, unless you assume that Bytedance is bowing to Trump

Have you not noticed that he keeps pushing out the enforcement date for the tiktok sale legislation?

He's extremely transactional. So why do you think he keeps giving them a break?

[platevoltage]

Probably because the content on TikTok is extremely favorable to Trump. I don't see how that counts as propaganda coming straight from the CCP.

[nebula8804]

The TikTok bill appeared to have died on the vine until it started to get a lot of Pro-Palestine content then all of a sudden it reappeared and the ban got put into law. I think Trump stopping the ban was actually the first major loss for pro Israel interests(certainly not the last we have seen so far).

[forgotoldacc]

> Sounds like we need to really start hustling and push the lie flat movement hard on the Chinese platforms.

Why?

The more obvious solution is to just blame the person responsible for the mess instead of trying to get involved with other countries' politics.

[nebula8804]

Like it or not this is a competition between two nations. If they are going to push content that sways the populace by exploiting weaknesses why not the other way around?

You are acting like this started as soon as Trump opened his mouth, its been in the shadows for years but it really ramped up after he started this nonsense.

[forgotoldacc]

It's a competition between nations, but why support the political party that straight up says they hate you just because China also hates them?

Like, if I hate the idea of eating kittens, and someone I hate also says they hate the idea of eating kittens, I'm not going to say "oh hell no, I can't let them shittalk OUR kitten eaters!"

I'm just going to be like "yeah, they have a point on this one", accept that a broken clock is right twice a day, and move on. Nationalist/jingoist garbage just for the sake of it makes countries worse.

[nebula8804]

There are many ways you can look at this situation. In my view, I don't think its a matter of hate. You gotta separate the actions of the clown on top with the actions of the government. The government is tasked with protecting the people and ensuring their best future. To them, it does not matter if its competing against China or any other country. Its not personal, its business.

To that end, the US's rivals have long used its weaknesses against it. While there are unconfirmed reports that China and Russia helped to prop up BLM in 2020, we do know for a fact that the USSR fanned the flame of racial tensions during the cold war. The best way to fight this? Get as close as you can to a fix for the problem. In that regard the USSR's attacks could have been used against them as a motivation to improve things and the US has improved.

Likewise its questionable if pushing the lie flat movement would harm regular Chinese people. From the government's POV, it looks bad: Chinese people being worked to death, can't afford a one bedroom apartment and one couple has to take care of possibly four elderly people. Of course some will just decide to 'opt out'. Makes China look bad while also possibly helping regular Chinese people in the long run.

[bdavisx]

>If you ask a US citizen who to blame for this trade war, it'll be trump.

Not the MAGA/Fox News Watcher, they simply don't live in reality.

Luckily the "swing" voters aren't that dumb, they will realize they fucked up voting for Trump and he's to blame even if they won't admit it.