[zdragnar]

Either a Democratic Congress or president would prevent such a bill from passing. Sales taxes are inherently flat, which to them means regressive.

The idea that we would give up progressive taxes is pretty antithetical to their platform, given how many campaign on raising taxes on high income earners.

Given how slow even a single-party-controlled Congress is, I sincerely doubt such a bill would ever see the light of day.

[quesera]

> Either a Democratic Congress or president would prevent such a bill from passing

The Senate still has the filibuster, as well. This will not pass in the current Congress either.

The filibuster rule is vulnerable, but I don't think there's enough support from Senate Republicans to do so. If I'm wrong, it would be an escalation which would add more fuel to the 2026 fire.

[gymbeaux]

I’m always hazy on how exactly that works. I know some bills require a supermajority (66) and I know filibuster can block some bills with fewer votes than that… but it doesn’t always work, because the 2017 tax reform bill was passed.

Also, I remember there being talk when the DINOs were voting with the Republicans of ending the filibuster…. So… I mean the current admin just ignores rules, why wouldn’t this be the Congress that ends the filibuster? This could be their one shot to implement the “Final Solution” (Project 2025).

[quesera]

I believe very few votes require a supermajority in the Senate -- impeachment votes definitely do, and also votes to override a Presidential veto.

All ordinary votes just require a simple majority, but the filibuster is sort of a special-case that can be invoked any time, requiring 60 votes to bring the vote to the table at all.

You're right -- if this Senate abolishes the filibuster, it will likely be for "budget votes only" or somesuch. The Senate isn't quite as full of short-term thinkers as the House is though. I don't think the Senate Rs will go for it, because it's the only thing stopping a future D majority from doing what majorities do, and smart Rs know they are a minority party under ordinary circumstances.

But if I'm wrong, it will mean that the Senate Rs are going for broke on a short-term play, and may be discounting future risks. That would be the behaviour of the very desperate, or of the very powerful.

If the Senate Rs believe they are one of those two things -- either one -- the consequences could be enormous.

This is all very dramatic of course. Normally I'd dismiss such ideas. But the temperature is very high right now, and this time might actually be different, this time...

[gymbeaux]

It’s optimistic of you to think we’ll have a Democratic anything for the foreseeable future. In 2016 we could say “well a lot of people are tired of the status quo” but after 2024… Nah, this what America wants. This is what the people who couldn’t bother to vote, voted for when they chose to stay home.

[gs17]

Not even Democrats in control, the amount of income tax-related lobbying should prevent it alone.