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by whatever1 419 days ago
No, the current system does not work for most of the people hence the "just nuke it" option sounds like a rational one.

Canadian elections show that people can change their mind overnight, but unfortunately some of the changes that happened in the US institutions and the global relations will take decades to reverse (if ever).
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rchaud 419 days ago
The Canadian elections are structurally different though. Not everybody changed their mind, the Conservatives won more seats than before. What happened was that Bloc Quebecois and NDP voters broke ranks to vote in a Liberal MP for their riding, to block what seemed like a surefire supermajority for the Conservatives. This is possible when you don't have a 2-party system with deeply calcified divisions.
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timeon 419 days ago
> sounds like a rational one.

But history has showed (with NSDAP and others) that it is not.

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danans 419 days ago
> But history ...

You see, you lost a good chunk of voters there.

Many are just voting for their candidate to hurt other people whom they don't like.

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geremiiah 419 days ago
> the current system does not work for most of the people

Bullshit. America is the richest country on earth. Your unemployment is remarkably low. Your disposable income is relatively high. And all the issues you complain about, like housing, are worse outside the US than in the US.

Moreover, a lot of the MAGA people are NOT working class struggling families. There are a lot of middle class middle aged low digit millionaires who are certainly not hurting for anything, but for some reason really love Trump.

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adiabatichottub 419 days ago
It's not just simply economic. I'd say it's more like there are many groups of people who do not feel represented by their government. Some of these groups are quite opposed to each other. Add to that politics and media that have become intentionally divisive and you get a society where everybody is mad about or scared of something.
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whatever1 419 days ago
How do you explain the majority of 18-25 yo who voted for Trump?

Also from polling the ones who did not vote were also leaning towards Trump. So participation was not the issue.

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NickC25 419 days ago
Because if you look at the entire history of presidents with the notable exception of Barack Obama, every president has been a geriatric white dude. They've been conditioned to believe that geriatric white dudes are the only ones capable of holding the office. So, when compared with the younger black/indian woman, the natural choice was to select the old white (orange) guy.
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mikestew 419 days ago
Because if you look at the entire history of presidents with the notable exception of Barack Obama, every president has been a geriatric white dude.

That’s not even true within my lifetime, let alone historically. People freaked the fuck out because Reagan was going to be all of 70 when he took office in 1982. That’s nothing compared to the fossils that they’re propping up in front of a microphone these days. 70 year olds in Congress these days are nicknamed “The Kid”.

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dragonwriter 419 days ago
> Because if you look at the entire history of presidents with the notable exception of Barack Obama, every president has been a geriatric white dude.

That's only true for an incredibly expansive definition of geriatric: Teddy Roosevelt was 42, Kennedy 43, Obama and Grant 46, etc. By a commom conventional standard of "geriatric” in general use (65+), only Buchanan, Harrison, Reagan, Trump, and Biden qualify at the start of their first term, and only 16 total would at the end of their last term.

> So, when compared with the younger black/indian woman

Harris was closer to (but still older than) both the mean and median age at start of term for a President than Trump was (even if you compared her in 2024 to Trump when elected in 2016). Gender and age, sure, but the whole geriatric thing as a long-term bias evident across the whole list of Presidents is unjustified (there's probably a decent argument that the current electorate has a geriatric bias, but its not a long-term historical one.)

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NickC25 419 days ago
> There are a lot of middle class middle aged low digit millionaires who are certainly not hurting for anything, but for some reason really love Trump.

They love him because he's as degenerate as they are, and makes it cool to be white. Or so I'm told.

Not that I believe any of that, just going by what Trump supporters tell me.

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