[Animats]

OK, we know what's coming.

- Energy is less of a problem, between cheap solar cells and batteries.

- Materials may start to be a problem, but not yet.

- Population is leveling off and dropping in some countries, but continues to grow in Africa and among the religious groups which keep women at home.

- Equatorial areas are becoming uninhabitable.

- AI is rapidly getting better. Not clear how good it gets, but if everything you do for money goes in and out over a wire, you're in trouble.

- Robots for unstructured tasks are just beginning to work. Maybe. The mechanical problems of building robots have been pretty much solved. Motors, sensors, controllers, etc. work well and are not too expensive. There are well over a dozen humanoid robots that can walk now. (Unlike the days of Asimo, which barely worked over two decades of improvement.)

- Automatic driving is being deployed now.

So how do we build a society to deal with that?

[socalgal2]

- Population is leveling off and dropping in some countries,

This is a problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufmu1WD2TSk

- AI is rapidly getting better. Not clear how good it gets, but if everything you do for money goes in and out over a wire, you're in trouble.

Or, everything gets so abundant that we can actually have high UBI

This reminds me if why I disliked to movie Elysium. They had a robots that effectively gave free perfect medical care. I didn't buy the premise of the movie that only that rich would be able to use them. Given they were robots, governments, hospitals, could and would make them readily available since ultimately it would massively lower their medical costs.

[beeflet]

I think elysium isn't an effective sci-fi in the sense that it discusses the effect of technology on mankind. It is just a metaphor for the US/Mexico border.

The only takeaway I got from the movie is that the robots look cool, it's the same robot design from chappie. Both half-baked scifi movies, but I would like to imagine they both exist in the same world.

[antasvara]

>I didn't buy the premise of the movie that only that rich would be able to use them. Given they were robots, governments, hospitals, could and would make them readily available since ultimately it would massively lower their medical costs.

Given Big Pharma's current ability to get lots and lots of money for vital medicine, I'm not optimistic they'd price a theoretical medical machine low enough for a government to afford.

Plus, if overpopulation is a concern, a wealthy person wouldn't necessarily want the machine to get into the hands of everyone. Given that the creator of this machine would become very wealthy, the incentives would probably lean towards offering it to a select group.

[amanaplanacanal]

Big pharma usually only gets big money until the patents run out. Today's expensive treatment is relatively cheap a generation from now.

I realize that sometimes there are situations where this doesn't hold.

[stickfigure]

Nearly every edifice of modern society relies on the tacit consent of other people. Pharma needs patent laws and a whole market economy to function.

"One wealthy person controls everyone with robots" basically ends up with one wealthy person alone with some robots.

[antasvara]

>Pharma needs patent laws and a whole market economy to function.

I agree in general with this sentiment. However, I think that "medical robot that can cure anything" isn't something you'd patent (as you'd have to make some of the details public). I imagine you'd keep it as a trade secret and only license the machine for use by your own technicians or something along those lines.

I do think that the key assumptions for this scenario are that companies become as powerful (if not more powerful) than countries, and the incentives change such that withholding medical care is beneficial to the wealthy.

Do I think this is the most likely outcome? No. But I think that current countries with partially starving populations are a "worst-case" scenario for what a society dealing with scarcity looks like.

[Animats]

> Or, everything gets so abundant that we can actually have high UBI

Now, that's not as clear. Reaching the point that all the essential tasks to keep society going can be done cost-effectively by robots is quite a ways off.

[WorldPeas]

you assume their compotence and forethought. Such things cannot be taken for granted.

[Calwestjobs]

actually materials may be not a problem, - 40% of all transport is for transporting of fossil fuels !

so after we lower amount of fossil fuels mined, transported, refined, we can start focusing on working with other materials or start using freed workforce/manufacturing capacity for other kinds of terraforming activities.

AI - how many connections in human brain? google says 100 trillion, how many transistors in one NVIDIA Blackwell GPU - 200 billion. so you need just 500 GPUs to have number of connections as brain does. those are transistors only for connections, you need much more transistors for processing which is connected thru said connections, so does one datacenter holds one brain worth of biological level processing already ?

[walterbell]

Step 1: kindergarten through university simulator-based training for remedial omnipotence.