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by seper8 408 days ago
People will look back in 50 years and say "You know they used to say that packaging all food in plastic was fine? Even though the science said otherwise?"
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I used to work as a bench tech at a defense contractor (microwave equipment).

Every tech had a little bottle on their bench, with a special lid, that would have a small amount of liquid always in it (you'd pump it, to bring up more liquid). These bottles are still used, today.

This was for removing solder flux. Worked great.

At the end of each row of tech benches, was a red bucket, full of the same stuff. We'd use that to wash entire boards.

If you got the liquid on your skin, it made the skin turn white, and flake off.

Smelled like acetone had a one-night-stand with gasoline.

The liquid was trichlor[0] (not the pool kind).

Our management swore that it was perfectly safe, and that we could even drink it.

This was in the early 1980s.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,1-Trichloroethane

The industry started with carbontet (CTC), they replaced it in the 70s with the perchlor stuff you're describing (PCE) in the 80s, then with Trichlorethylene (TCE) in the early 90s, which in turn was replaced with (TCA) Trichlorethane and now all the chlorinated stuff is gone (along with the PCB industry). There's still isopropyl and GBL butyrolactone (which is regulated as a precursor to GHB) for degreasing.

Back in the 60s carbontet was used everywhere (dry cleaning and industrial) and there are superfund sites in Happy Tx and Alabama.

    Everyone has seen the walk through dry cleaning right?
    https://youtu.be/WbkfkcSiYcI
We're literally 60 years since the first regulation. And your local dry cleaner was leaking chlorinated solvents into the 80s. Now the cleanup for old gas stations is mostly complete, but the new MTBE stuff is nasty!
That video is the craziest thing I have ever seen.
1,1,1-trichloroethane doesn't seem particularly toxic - "probable carcinogen", some neurological and liver effects but I'd say it's probably still safer than e.g. isopropyl alcohol which definitely leads to neurological issues long-term. The reason it's banned is because of the ozone layer, not because it's unsafe to individual humans.

I feel like it's probably the wrong chemical though, far too many similar names. Maybe you meant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichloroethylene

You are probably correct. We just called it "trichlor."

I wouldn't call the smell "pleasant," or "mild," though...

This was 1983-1987. My first job.

You sure it wasn't TCE?
The problem is, there's real benefits to using plastics for all sorts of things, foodstuff packaging included. Human lives are demonstrably longer than they were in developed countries where plastics are regularly used. It'd be interesting to see if you could quantify how long the average person's life has been extended/made better because of polymers.

Could we go back to wax paper, glass bottles, metal tins, and the like? Maybe, but that comes with its own challenges, from spoilage to metals contamination to transport weight.

Like with tobacco