[pjmlp]

We know, it stil isn't at Spring/ASP.NET level, coupled with Scala/Kotlin/F#.

[cies]

I hate Spring(Boot): too much magic due to overuse of annotations.

On the JVM I'd prefer Kotlin/http4k/SQLDelight any day over {Java,Kotlin}/Spring(Boot)/{Hibernate,sql-in-strings}.

[pjmlp]

Because macro magic, or compiler plugins, is so much better, I guess.

[cies]

What do you mean? Where are the "macro magic or compiler plugins"?

[pjmlp]

Most Rust frameworks, which was the point of this thread,

> Rust is an absolute gem at web backend. An absolute fucking gem.

[koakuma-chan]

Nothing beats vertx on JVM!