[huhkerrf]

I've got the misfortune of being connected to former sales colleagues on LinkedIn, so I see the kind of posts they are liking.

And I can't tell you how many of them are complaining when people complain about cold calling and mass sales emails. I've got a fairly even take on sales, but the absolute entitlement they feel about your time...

Outbound can't die soon enough.

[kjs3]

Amen. Extra special are the ones that when you complain about outbound, you get "well how else are we supposed to sell things!". As though "smiling and dialing" or carpet bomb spamming are the only possible ways. Appropriating other peoples time isn't enough; if we don't like being subjected to the entitlement, we're supposed to figure out how to do their job for them.

[adriand]

I’m so irritated by the constant emails I get as part of automated drip marketing campaigns. Many of them start with outright falsehoods (“I tried calling you”, “I spoke to one of your colleagues”, etc.) and they almost all pretend like they have not added me to a drip marketing campaign, ie they act like it’s a fully personalized email. Newer ones include clearly AI-generated summaries pulled from my online presence (“I see that you graduated from X college”, etc.) It’s so fundamentally dishonest. Why would I enter into a commercial relationship with you if our first interaction is you misrepresenting yourself or worse, outright lying to me?

[tpxl]

> Why would I enter into a commercial relationship with you if our first interaction is you misrepresenting yourself or worse, outright lying to me?

A 'security' consultancy posted an article on LinkedIn on 'critical security vulnerabilities' they found on the web app from a company I worked at. The company hired them to do an assessment. The most critical vulnerability was a bug on a login page preventing registration.

So not only does cold calling work, bad-mouthing on social media seems to be a viable strategy. I'd have blacklisted them.

[kjs3]

So not only does cold calling work, bad-mouthing on social media seems to be a viable strategy. I'd have blacklisted them.

Well that's the thing, isn't it? He (and others) may be thinking "Hey! This worked!". But he has no idea how many potential customers looked at LinkedIn and say "screw this guy" and will never do business with him.

[Suppafly]

>Amen. Extra special are the ones that when you complain about outbound, you get "well how else are we supposed to sell things!".

These people live in a different reality than the rest of us, one they've likely taken steps to convince themselves is true so they don't have to feel bad about their actions. I met someone years ago that was basically a professional email spammer that described his job as marketing and sending newsletters and was convinced that people were OK receiving spam and that he was providing a service by spamming garbage to people who didn't sign up for it.

[chickenzzzzu]

Sounds like roughly the same process defense industry professionals take to rationalize their "career" ^.^

[carlosjobim]

Every human on earth, except for literal saints.

[hsuduebc2]

LinkedIn itself is a horror, but sales and HR people on it are the final circle of Dante's hell.

[Gigachad]

Used to sit in the office with the cold call sales guys. Was crazy how often after the call ended they would start shit talking the contact for not buying the software.

[esperent]

It's not crazy at all, it's basic human psychological self defense. There are much better defense mechanisms that can be learned, but shit talking the opposition is basically the standard fall back psychological defense mechanism for human beings who have failed at something.