[santoshalper]

As a long time ACLU financial supporter, I could not disagree more. 4chan is not and never was a bastion of free speech. Comparing 4chan to the ACLU is like comparing a toddler smearing shit on a wall to art. To practice free speech requires an intent to express a point of view. 4chan had to point of view and was just a shithole.

[john-h-k]

> To practice free speech requires an intent to express a point of view

Excellent, now we can ban speech we don’t like by just saying it doesn’t actually express a point of view

[chris_wot]

You can't yell out in a theatre that there is a fire and cause a stampede.

[mrandish]

Just in case you're not citing that old debunked free speech trope ironically, please see: "Don’t Use These Free-Speech Arguments Ever Again" by First Amendment expert Ken White (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/free-speec...).

[chris_wot]

I have no idea what you are talking about, and I am unable to read the article as it is behind a paywall.

[mrandish]

https://archive.is/iZC4v

Hopefully, that works. It's the first time I've done an archive like that. It works for me, but it always did because I'm using the Bypass Paywalls Clean add-on in Firefox https://gitflic.ru/project/magnolia1234/bpc_uploads

[chris_wot]

So, you can yell "fire" falsely and cause a stampede?

Alex Jones would like a word with you.

[john-h-k]

Absolutely. Point is we have to judge it in context. People saying horrible things for no reason on a message board is fundamentally different to causing a stampede in a cinema.

I agree that we need laws to make "yelling fire and causing stampedes" illegal. I do not agree that "free speech requires an intent to express a point of view" is the correct way of implementing this.