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by typewithrhythm 412 days ago
Desegregation coincided with the mass "multicultural" migration initiatives in the rest of the western world.

Unfortunately in reality there is a huge difference between a facility used by one group, and one shared between several. Many community facilities become unpleasant when they are anonymous.

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Why does the presence of multiple ethnic groups make facilities anonymous? That would only be true if people never knew anyone of a different "race".

Immigration is only relevant if immigrant communities do not integrate. If it was the cause then you would expect a strong correlation between loneliness and populations of immigrant origin. It certainly does not leap out from a quick look at the numbers: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbein...

The timing of the numbers in the paper do not match either. SOme of them happened in the last two years. A bit recent for desegregation to be a factor.

On the other hand the article does mention a lot of far more plausible possible causes: online only friendships, working hours, decline of religion etc.

This same effect goes a long way to explaining the abandonment of public transit in the US, and strong preference for private travel in a car.
The idea that multiculturalism is incompatible with a harmonious society is empirically denied by the existence of basically utopias like Singapore. All citizens have to learn 4 languages and there is a huge amount of tourists which add to the already multicutral demographics of the country. Lowest crime in the world, best education in the world. Among the best public transit in the world, etc.

What it really is is that some minorities have shittier cultures than others, and some states have handled the integration and assimilation better than others.

Even the USA, for example, is blessed that nearly all of our illegals are Catholics (or more recently evangelical protestants...). Compare this to Europe where it's often muslims who try to bring their Burkas and sharia law with them.

The mass rise of latino voters for trump indicates a very strong effort from America's latino minorities to "act white", to "integrate", and to "assimilate".

I am fine with a multicultural society, as long as it's good culture - and yes, it is quite easy to nearly objectively quantify if a culture or cultural practice is good or not. For example, Americans except for asian americans don't wash their asses with bidets after using the toilet. This leads to swampass/BO, increased toilet paper usage/resource consumption, and far more rectal related health problems. America objectively should change it's cultural practices around bathroom usage.

Unfortunately, cultural critique against bad culture has a tendency for folks to call you "racist", so we aren't allowed to have this conversations with more specificity...

Singapore is not multicultural in the sense it is often used: different communities have to learn each others languages, as you said, for example. A huge effort was made to create a common identity.

This is very different from multicultural meaning groups having separate communities. That is de facto segregation.

" Compare this to Europe where it's often muslims who try to bring their Burkas and sharia law with them."

I think this is much exaggerated.

Its also not immigrant groups pushing Islamic fundamentalism as much as international funding and ideology that is global.

There are also groups (mostly white people!) who are politically committed to this multiculturalism vs integration.

While latinos voted for Trump a little more then last time, saying it was "the mass rise" is just a lie.
No, it is NOT a lie. Latino men had a HUGE shift. Trump won 54% of latino men. This was an over 20 point shift in ONE election. He won 39% of latino women. YOU are lying by even implying that it was a "minor" change. Please educate yourself before spewing lies on the internet. 46% of latino voters in general voted for Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

The reality is that the sheep voted for the wolves - mostly because the sheep hate the other sheep, and wanted the wolves to eat those other sheep - hoping they'd ignore themselves.

The only group who voted more for Harris than biden, demographically, was white women - specifically old white women.

There is evidence that voter suppression efforts and the closing of thousands of polling stations lead to the many millions fewer Democratic votes. Despite this there was a clear neo masculine backlash.