[chromanoid]

I don't understand the expectations of reddit CMV users when they engage in anonymous online debates.

I think well intentioned, public access, blackhat security research has its merits. The case reminds me of security researchers publishing malicious npm packages.

[forgotTheLast]

One thing old 4chan got right is its disclaimer:

>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

[Smithalicious]

As far as I remember this disclaimer has only been on /b/, but yes, I love the turn of phrase. I think I used it in conversation within the last day or two, even.

[minimaxir]

At minimum, it's reasonable for any subreddit to have the expectation that you're engaging with a human, even moreso when a) the subreddit has explicitly banned AI-generated comments and b) the entire value proposition of the subreddit is about human moral dilemmas which an AI cannot navigate.

[chromanoid]

Are you serious? With services like https://anti-captcha.com/ the bot free anonymous discourse is over for a long time now.

It's in bad faith when people seriously tell you they don't expect something when they make rules against it.

With LLMs anonymous discourse is just even more broken. When reading comments like this, I am convinced this study was a gift.

LLMs are practically shouting it from the rooftops, what should be a hard but well-known truth for anybody who engages in serious anonymous online discourse: We need new ways for online accountability and authenticity.

[minimaxir]

By that logic, how can you prove you are not a bot on Hacker News? They're also banned on HN for the same reasons as /r/changemyview, after all. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33945628

[ryandrake]

You can't! On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog[1] was published over 30 years ago! You've never been able to assume there was a real person on the other end of the conversation, with no agenda, engaging in good faith, with their own earnestly-held thoughts. On what basis would you have this expectation?

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_...

[AlienRobot]

This is why I dislike how the Internet has become increasingly about politics and drama and less about memes.

It's not a system that can support serious debates without immense restrictions on anonymity, and those restrictions in turn become immense privacy issues 10 years later.

People really need to understand that you're supposed to have fun on the Internet, and if you aren't having fun, why be there at all?

Most importantly, I don't like how the criticism on the situation, specially some seen here, push for abdication of either privacy or of debates. There is more than one website on the Internet! You can have a website that requires ID to post, and another website that is run by an LLM that censors all political content. Those two ideas can co-exist in the vastness of the web and people are free to choose which website to visit.

[mountainriver]

a/s/l ?

19/f/miami

This stuff has been going on since AOL messenger

[mbs159]

I am definitely not a bot!

[chromanoid]

Exactly

[dkh]

> I don't understand the expectations of reddit CMV users when they engage in anonymous online debates.

Considering the great and growing percentage of a person’s communications, interactions, discussions, and debates that take place online, I think we have little choice but to try to facilitate doing this as safely, constructively, and with as much integrity as possible. The assumptions and expectations of CMV might seem naive given the current state of A.I. and whatnot, but this was less of a problem in previous years and it has been a more controlled environment than the internet at large. And commendable to attempt

[chromanoid]

Sure, but it is dangerous to expect anything else than what the study makes clear. LLMs make manipulation just cheaper and more scalable. There are so many rumors about state sponsored troll farms that I guess this study was a good wake-up call for anyone who is upset now. It's like acting surprised that somebody can send you a computer virus or that the email is not from an African prince who has to get rid of money.