[scyzoryk_xyz]

We weren't 'dragged' into the Ukraine war. We watched an invasion, we saw refugees arrive in our society, we sent resources to help, we are watching war crimes and we now count Ukrainians amongst us. Our systems were taken by surprise and have taken time to respond. But the previous administration's policy was one of alliances and diplomacy and not intimidation or force.

The EU has it's own agency and it is a perfectly good thing for us to 'take over'.

And that guy is a cable show host.

[bgwalter]

If you focus on one (admittedly ill formulated) part of a downvoted and now deleted comment, you can infer anything.

Yes, Germany supplied moderate amounts of weapons in the beginning, so they were involved from the start if you like. Then Nordstream happened, then the previous US administration repeatedly put pressure on Germany and other EU countries to do more:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-tanks-germany-pressure-...

The US policy that the EU should get more involved has been a recurring theme during the Biden administration. Now the EU is begging the US to continue. We do not know if all this is political theater or if Trump really wants to end the war. We might know by the end of this year.

[matkoniecz]

Germany is not sole EU country. For example Poland delivered 300 tanks starting from April 2022 (also - SPG, aircraft and other heavy equipment and also lighter equipment)

[scyzoryk_xyz]

I just spoke up because something we're seeing a lot as Europeans is these subtle twists and turns in the narrative. When you live here a lot of this stuff is up close and personal - we don't need to infer anything from internet comments or past news articles. We've been paying attention - I have personally watched the military convoys running east-west. We have Ukrainians integrated into our communities.

We expended much energy internally consumed by internal debates and arguments about who is supplying what, how much, through which channel. As EU member states we're not always aligned and we are different cultures speaking different languages. This has been used against us in the information warfare layer.

I really don't believe you can simplify the entire EU and say we're begging. There are certain capacities that we can't replace, and for decades member states prioritized dismantling our military industrial complex (in perfectly good faith!). Winding up heavy military industrial supply chains can't be an over-night process. And yeah, I believe you're absolutely correct - a lot of this is political theater.

My own personal view: the war won't be over anytime soon. The other side has gone all in on it. Even if they were to slam the brakes it would take years to reduce that momentum. They've had their own internal wars and purges fueling this thing and whatever they do, they would need to have a solid explanation. It's basically a sacred crusade to them.

Now, this might be controversial, but my personal belief is that on some level, we too prefer that the war grinds on. Only as long as it does not escalate into nuclear. It might be a cynical belief, but at this point it's the Ukrainians who are going to have years of real-life warfare experience and the EU wants access to this to learn from.

Anyways, there's a fucking TV host running the US DoD. These aren't serious people. Trump doesn't have nuanced ideas to read into on any of this - he wants to end the war as much as he wants to eat cheeseburgers and have crowds cheer for him. Maybe he'll get that headline, maybe he won't.

That's my two euro-cents ;)

[ashoeafoot]

Nobody believes in a nuclear escalation.Thats just something Russian bots mention every time because it has had a effect every time.

Its a conventional war,russia is loosing it and presses all the keys on the propaganda organ because panic.

[Teever]

Thank you for providing a European perspective on this topic.

[ashoeafoot]

and another botvi say confidently as a russian

[mannykannot]

> We do not know if all this is political theater or if Trump really wants to end the war...

The utterly confused picture of what the president is thinking is itself a considerable problem. Political theater would be unconscionable, yet that is mostly what we get.