[robertlagrant]

> A culture of hanging out and drinking requires walkable urbanism.

I don't think that's really true. In the UK, villages had pubs. Gradually some of the villages were joined together into larger cities, and the pubs remained. It wasn't planned as walkable urbanism.

[tlb]

You didn't have to plan to get walkable urbanism before cars. It just happened because everyone needed a pub, store, school, etc. within walking distance.

[robertlagrant]

But it wasn't urban. That's my point.