[loeg]

This thread is not discussing the relative merits of different weight loss mechanisms. Your claim was simply that calorie counting is required for weight loss; it is not.

> If you're not counting calories you could be cutting calories too aggressively or not aggressively enough

This, too, can be monitored without calorie counting (e.g., periodic scale measurements will tell you this).

[escobar_west]

Wrong. My claim is that the only reliable way for weight loss is through calorie counting. You can guestimate it without counting calories but that is not reliable. You can't rely on taking a drug indefinitely for weight loss.