[pugworthy]

I have used VI for many, many years and honestly use perhaps 25% at best of its abilities. But still I get comments about how fast and smoothly I can use it from other developers. Which I think speaks to how powerful even the basic editor can be.

And yes, you can also take my VIM plugin (for Visual Studio) from my cold dead hands.

[jxm262]

Same here. Tbh, you're comment just inspired to do a deep dive on VI. Wonder how much more productivity I can squeeze out if I spend an weekend focused on it.

[skydhash]

The productivity comes from not having to think about your editing while simultaneously realizing that you can do some complex editing really easily. I use Emacs and Vim both (I prefer Emacs) and It's quite nice when you can streamline some quick code edits.

My latest experience with Vim was helping a friend fixing some import with a React Native project. A quick grep on one terminal (I could have used quickfix) and using the vim fzf plugin to quickly locate the file. VS Code could have done this but the context switching and UI clutter is not great there.

As for emacs, the main advantages lies in the fact that so many great tools already exist there. Things like Occur, Shell Mode and Compilation Mode (relying on Comint, a more general feature for anything REPL), Project, Eglot, and Magit.

[tcoff91]

Now with neovim I feel like the plugin ecosystem is catching up to Emacs. Lua has unlocked the potential.

Typescript dev ex in neovim is light years ahead of what I achieved in Emacs. Neovim’s lsp integration is better than Emacs imo. Blink.cmp is so fast.

Magit is definitely far superior to anything in neovim though and so is org mode.

[skydhash]

I think Vim and Neovim is better suited as editors, meaning quick launch, fast localization of files and fast editing actions. And I like plugins that support this philosophy.

But the goals with emacs is to be a complete platform for anything plain text (with a bit of extra widgets). Almost whatever you need the terminal for can be replicated there, and they will share some common convention. Mail, file manager, music players, feed readers, PKM, PIM,… Tect editing is not so great, but text actions are (Slime is the best example).

I use both, but I prefer emacs’ extensibility.

[tcoff91]

Yes Emacs is still a better platform for building applications on for sure. Emacs lisp is a better language than Lua although harder to learn.

I used Emacs with evil mode for years until switching to neovim last year. It was really great.

[nyarlathotep_]

> And yes, you can also take my VIM plugin (for Visual Studio) from my cold dead hands.

First thing I install on any IDE/Editor.