[julianeon]

Related:

Only Claude (to my knowledge) has a desktop app which can directly, and usually quite intelligently, modify files and create repos on your desktop. It's the only "agentic" option among the major players.

"Claude, make me an app which will accept Stripe payments and sell an ebook about coding in Python; first create the app, then the ebook."

It would take a few passes but Claude could do this; obviously you can't do that with an API alone. That capability alone is worth $30/month in my opinion.

[xvinci]

Maybe I am not understanding something here.

But there are third party options availabe that to the very same thing (e.g. https://aider.chat/ ) which allow you to plug in a model (or even a combination thereof e.g. deepseek as architect and claude as code writer) of your choice.

Therefore the advantage of the model provider providing such a thing doesn't matter, no?

[jm547ster]

Aider is not agentic - it is interactive by design. Copilot agent mode and Cline would better comparisons.

[tough]

OpenAI launched codex 2 days ago, there's open forks already that support other providers too

there's also claude code proxy's to run it on local llm's

you can just do things

[int_19h]

A first party app, sure, but there's no shortage of third party options. Cursor, Windsurf/Codeium etc. Even VSCode has agent mode now.

[dingnuts]

> first create the app, then the ebook."

> It would take a few passes but Claude could do this;

I'm sorry but absolutely nothing I've seen from using Claude indicates that you could give it a vague prompt like that and have it actually produce anything worth reading.

Can it output a book's worth of bullshit with that prompt? Yes. But if you think "write a book about Python" is where we are in the state of the art in language models in terms of the prompt you need to get a coherent product, I want some of whatever you are smoking because that has got to be the good shit

[indexerror]

OpenAI just released Codex, which is basically the same as Claude Code.

[hiciu]

It looks the same, but for some reason Claude Code is much more capable. Codex got lost in my source code and hallucinated bunch of stuff, Claude on the same task just went to town, burned money and delivered.

Of course, this is only my experience and codex is still very young. I really hope it becomes as capable as Claude.

[rockwotj]

Part of it is probably tgat claude is just better at coding than what openai has available. I am considering trying to hack in support for gemini into codex and play around with it.

[lytedev]

I was doing this last night with open-codex, a fork. https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex

[thrdbndndn]

Copilot agent mode?