[spondylosaurus]

If it's impossible to legally comply with orders to bring US residents back from El Salvadoran prisons (which I'm skeptical of, but let's grant that it is truly impossible), then that's probably a sign we should stop sending people there, since it'd be impossible to comply with future orders as well.

[_mlbt]

The person in question is not a legal US resident.

[m-watson]

He wasn't a citizen, he was granted a work permit and it was directed that he should not be deported to El Salvador back in 2019. That arguably makes him a US resident, legally able to reside and work here.

One source - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-documents-governmen...

[spondylosaurus]

Indeed.

Also I originally said "resident" and not "legal resident" because I think it's blatantly insane that anyone in the US, with legal recourse to be here or otherwise, is being captured and sent to a prison in a country they may or may not have ever been to, and in a country over which the US claims to have no authority to bring them back when ordered to do so. Kicking someone out of the US is one thing, but sending them to a shitbox supermax prison abroad is another entirely.

That said, it's also true that many of these people are LEGAL residents, which makes matters that much worse.

[m-watson]

Absolutely, I was agreeing with you even though my wording was a bit strange.I wanted to try and engage in good faith forum responding to the other commenter but see that might not be productive. There are so many issues with this case and the many others that are popping up and I don't imagine they are going to get better.

[spondylosaurus]

Oh yeah, I figured you and I were in agreement! I meant that as an addition aimed at anyone reading this thread, not in a combative shot at you, so apologies if it came off as such :P

[_mlbt]

What is needed is an expedited means of both providing due process and efficient deportation of gang members and other violent criminals that are in this country illegally.

That’s the best way to honor the senseless tragedies of Laken Riley, Rachel Morin, Jocelyn Nungaray, and several others, and to prevent them from happening in the future.

[cess11]

The US has been kidnapping and putting people in torture centres willy-nilly for decades. That this would somehow get better under an openly fascist or fascism-adjacent regime is not a sound expectation.

One might suspect that a reason for the acceptance of takfiri thugs coming to power in Syria has to do with their disinterest in the rule of law and the low likelihood that they will do robust investigations of Sednaya and other prisons.

https://www.icij.org/investigations/collateraldamage/post-91...

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/torture-prisons-syri...

[fc417fc802]

Where I get a bit confused is the part where the US supposedly has no ability to retrieve him yet he's also supposedly being held on our behalf. If it isn't on our behalf then why are they keeping him there? Did he commit a crime according to them?

[_mlbt]

Yes deporting him to El Salvador without due process was a mistake. We’re in agreement there.

[klipt]

Not only that, he was flown directly to their worst human rights violating prison.

It's like deporting a war refugee straight into a fascist regime's concentration camp.