[ath3nd]

> And the same way now progressives conflate Zionists with White supremacists / Nazi

Nazism and Zionism are both ultra-right-wing nationalistic ideologies. The conflation doesn't stop on the surface though, but it runs deep in the actions of the two states: The Nazi state during WW2, and the Israeli state:

1. Dehumanizing of "the enemy"

A) Israel dehumanizing Palestinians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestin...

B) Nazis dehumanizing Jews: https://english.elpais.com/society/2022-12-04/how-nazi-propa...

2. Using war crimes like starvation to "get rid of the enemy":

A) Israel starving Palestinians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip_famine

B) Nazis starving Jews: https://www.nobelpeacecenter.org/en/news/hitler-s-hungerplan

3. Detention camps and torture

A) Israel detaining and torturing Palestinians: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/...

B) Nazis detaining and torturing Jews: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

[weatherlite]

Yes Zionists are the Nazis and Hamas are the good guys I got it. Thanks for all the links I read each and every one of them , especially Wikipedia articles about Nazi concentration camps I've never heard of that.

[ath3nd]

> especially Wikipedia articles about Nazi concentration camps I've never heard of that.

Glad to have helped! Here is a quiz to see if you can spot the differences between a Zionist and a Nazi: https://zionism.wtf/

By the ways, nowadays it's called a "detention camp":

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-tei...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno

But the torture is still torture. Also, this (satirical?) article by the Onion somehow (tragi)comically seems super relevant:

https://theonion.com/historians-quibbling-over-exact-definit...

I am sure I won't hear the end of it how the torture concentration camp of the Nazis is completely different from the much more civilized and completely different torture detention camp of the Israelis. Israelis' of course, have a high regard for their prisoners' well being, especially considering they call them "animals": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr24GcCDgyM

> Yes Zionists are the Nazis and Hamas are the good guys I got it

I probably shouldn't bite, but here it goes: Here are some stats even before the current war started.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-cas...

From 2008 to 2020, the death toll is:

- 251 Israeli

- 5590 Palestinians

Does this seem like a fair exchange, cause it seems like 22x higher death toll on one side?

And the current death toll can be seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_co...

- 9,901–10,239 Israeli

- 104,701–110,887 Palestinians

Does this look like a fair exchange?

I am sure when some Nazis were killed by the French Resistance, somebody Nazi apologist was saying: "see, French are also bad, because they are killing the poor Germans". However, there is a very important distinction:

Palestinians are not the ones stopping humanitarian aid (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-defense-mi...), nor the ones shooting medics and ambulances (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajBouTY-45c), nor the ones repeatedly blowing up hospitals (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr7l123zy5o) all 100% war crimes.

And nobody says Hamas are the good guys: both the leaders of Hamas and Netanyahu and his genocidal posse are sought to be trialed by the ICC for war crimes (https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu).

But the parallels between Zionism and Nazism are so obvious, that they even have a wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparisons_between_Israel_and...

I am happy to provide you a summary of the parallels:

- War crimes and crimes against humanity both by Nazis and by the Israeli state

- Dehumanizing the enemy both by the Nazis and by the Israeli state

- Withholding aid and using hunger as a weapon both by the Nazis and by the Israeli state

- Doing an ethnic cleansing (https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/tragedy-fore...) both by the Nazis during WW2 and the Israeli state

- Both are far-right ideologies based on some feeling of superiority (racial or national/religious)

I mean, yeah, there are differences in the "flavor", like fascism in Italy was different from Nazism in Germany and is different than the contemporary genocidal Zionism by the Palestinian state, but the similarities are far more than the small differences.

[weatherlite]

> And the current death toll can be seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_co...

- 9,901–10,239 Israeli

- 104,701–110,887 Palestinians

Not sure what "fair exchange" would mean here. It looks like

a) A war / protracted conflict , not some kind of one sided genocide. Jews haven't killed thousands of Germans or tried to bring down the German state. Also, if there is one side that is sympathetic to Nazi ideology it is actually historically the Palestinian side (see Mufti relations with Hitler and his contributions to the final solution).

b) One side is clearly stronger than the other side (however, the weak side is doing everything it can to bring the casaulties numbers up. We know Hamas is doing this).

Israel is not going to try get more Israelis killed just so progressives become happier.

[ath3nd]

Israel is bulldozing Palestinian houses, bombards working hospitals, forbids (and shoots) humanitarian aid, starves the opponent, stops their electricity, and calls them animals. Why not respond to that?

> https://zionism.wtf/

Total silence from you on this one.

> Not sure what "fair exchange" would mean here. It looks like

Again, when a nation occupies another nation's territory, it's normal that there are resistance movements. The numbers actually suggest not a war of army vs army but instead warfare on Palestinian territory, in which thousands of innocent Palestinians are caught in the crossfire.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147512

https://apnews.com/article/un-gaza-war-children-killed-malnu...

Are those 13,000+ children that Israel killed part of Hamas? Is everybody in Palestine Hamas? Or is it the excuse of a Zionist-apologist for bombarding innocents?

> Israel is not going to try get more Israelis killed just so progressives become happier.

Well, actually again, you are conflating the actions of the genocidal Israeli state and of the wanted war criminal Netanyahu, with the will of the Israeli people, who repeatedly protested against his genocidal regime.

Now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUT_D31mo8k

And a month ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4vwIM1zE4U

And four months ago: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tUtS3POWiJ4

And three years ago: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HH0Lr2nM2qY

Zionism is the same as Nazism, a type of fascism, predicated on the fact that some are "better" and "chosen" and have a right to and deserve more than others just because of their race/skin color/nationality/religion.